2020 Election

VG

1) So you think it a goood idea to give the executive branch the ability to suppress what it sees as its political opponents through military action?

2) What rational argument do you have for this assertion?

3) What rational argument do you have for this assertion?

 

What is the relevance of these deaths in relation to the forthcoming election of a new President ???

 

just the fact that what was once a great nation and the best we can come up with is Trump or Biden is very sad

 

There is an alternative - Bernie Sanders !!!

 

BS is BS, a hypocritical rich old man he is worse than Biden or Trump

 

There does seem to be a desire on the right to conflate protest with violence and property damage.

I’ve been a hundreds of protests where there was no violence or property damage

But you can see why certain types of people would like others to believe that all their political opponents, those protesting against them are in fact actually violent thugs - because then it is easier to justify any actions taken against them,

If no protester is a peaceful protester why not use rubber bullets and tear gas against them even if they are acting peacefully.

And as is said anyone who sides with the protesters is a supporter of violence deaths and endless damage of properties.

In basic terms it’s saying –‘are you a decent law-abiding and peaceful right winger or a violence and murderous leftie’?

It’s silly but it has often worked for example you target a group of just normal people from some ethnic background highlight a few undesirable in that group then paint the whole group as been like that and bingo you end up been able to harass and persecute anyone in that group and the majority will not mind because they have been taught to believe they deserve it.

I’ve heard some Americans basically say that about black people, on hearing that a black person has been arrested or killed by a police they assume the black person must be guilty or have deserved it because…well because black people do most of the crime don’t they and they are more violent than..well than.....

 

Did you even read my post LOL?

Do you understand why they are protesting?

Do you understand why the right of people to peacefully assemble is in the US constitution?

Do you realise that the same argument you are using has been used by many authoritarian regimes and dictatorships?

 

Yes they have the heart, that's why they began their protest in the first place. But for my own disabilities and illnesses I too would be out their on the march too, as I have done over many decades of protests and demonstrations. You're probably too young to know about the protests that took place across the world against the American intervention in Vietnam, but I'm not and I was there in each and every demonstration that took place here in London.

 

So basically you are saying

You don’t really know why they are protesting or care.

You don’t know why the right of people to peacefully assemble is in the US constitution, although you acknowledge it is there.

And you don’t and didn’t realise that the same argument you are using has been used by many authoritarian regimes and dictatorships?


You seem to be saying that even though you now know that it’s a political trick to try to smear and silence protesters you are still happy to go along with it?

 

Yes, including any justice for George Floyd or any of the many who come after him because of the inability to fix the police and justice systems.

 

Errmmm - excuse me, but didn't I see on the news here in the uk, that unemployment has risen to 15 Million, and then there is the poverty wages, zero-hour contracts, so yes demonstrations and protests I would support every inch of the way !!!

 

"Passed Opportunity Zones, Guaranteed funding for HBCU’s, School choice, passed criminal justice reform, lowest black unemployment, poverty, and crime rates in history," that is a direct quote from a Trump tweet.

Sorry are you a bot?

 

Ahhh - so you're a hephatrump apologist - that says it all !!!

 

fuck the protesters fuck the looters and scumbags, here in south florida they are shutting down the interstate, forcing business that are just now trying to reopen to close early and protesting at the MALL, thats just assinine ....if your going to protest peacefully do it where it will not impact the average joe tryin to get shit done, like city hall the courthouse the police station

 

LOL hell I’d ask if he can say a sentence without one

But hey let’s just pick the first one on the list

Opportunity Zones

How a Trump Tax Break to Help Poor Communities Became a Windfall for the Rich
How a Trump Tax Break to Help Poor Communities Became a Windfall for the Rich

Opportunity Zone investigation won’t derail developer investment, experts say
The popular federal program meant to spur investment in low-income areas has faced mounting criticism for serving as a tax break for wealthy developers

Federal Probe Into Opportunity Zone Program Won’t Slow Investment

 

You think is just the one death and police brutality that is behind the protest?

I’ll ask again - Do you understand why the right of people to peacefully assemble is in the US constitution?

Yes you know it is there but why?

So you want what you see as your political opponents to stop protesting because you think what they are doing is in your opinion bad.

I’ll say again - Do you realise that the same argument you are using has been used by many authoritarian regimes and dictatorships?

That is not been done by the peaceful protestors – why are you trying to conflate the two?

 

sara2001

So you’re saying you think what Trump says is truthful and any that points out it isn’t is lying

So let me get this clear you will never debate in any honest or rational way you will always just be spreading propaganda that you refuse to defend from criticism?

 

So what was so heavy on the camels back that this straw could break it?

again, the us constitution has nothing to do with this, because i never said people weren't allowed to protest....can you even read?

Yes can you – to repeat - Do you understand why the right of people to peacefully assemble is in the US constitution?

Ok so many deaths and property damage is caused by drunk drivers each year so your solution would seem to suggest that to stop that everyone should stop driving.

I’ll say again - Do you realise that the same argument you are using has been used by many authoritarian regimes and dictatorships?

 

! would just like to say that people should please read the sticky in the Politic forum - A polite Notice

A polite notice

And the Politics forum Guidelines

Politics Forum Guidelines

The second of which states very clearly -

As often stated this is not a bulletin board it is a place to debate politics. [my bold]

The Politics forum has long been different than the other forums in the Hip universe with its own rules and even at times restrictions (at one time you needed to have posted 100 posts in other forums before been allowed to post in Politics)

It has also allowed a certain amount of leeway - there is a realisation that debates can be heated and a blind eye can be given

BUT too often these days there are those coming to the forum that have no intention of entering into honest debate and others whose sole purpose seems to be to snipe at those that do and disrupt those that are taking place.

If people genuinely wish to debate they are welcome - but if not and only post in Politics to spread lies and culture war propaganda that they then refuse to discuss or debate they are not welcome and their posts may be deleted and if they persist in trying to be disruptive then other measures might need to be taken.