After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

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Firearm-related deaths rate per 100,000 population.

US –2011 10.3

Canada : 2.22

England and Wales – 0.22

France - 3.00

Germany – 1.10

Luxembourg - 2.02

Switzerland - 3.04

Homicides by any method per 100.000

US - 2011: 5.1

Canada : 1.6

England and Wales - 1.03

France : 1.2

Germany 0.8

Luxembourg 0.8

Switzerland 0.57

Gun related homicides per 100,000

US 2011: 3.6

Canada : 0.51

England and Wales 0.06

France - 0.22

Germany - 0.2

Luxembourg 0.62

Switzerland 0.16

Number of prisoners per 100,000

US – 707

Canada : 106

England and Wales -148

France -102

Germany -76

Luxembourg - 112

Switzerland – 84

 

No mis-direction at all.

It was stated in the thread (not by me) that we have thrown untold millions of dollars into the Chicago inner cities for decades. And I'm pretty sure they all have access to the Affordable Care Act currently in place (assumed by me). Has this helped fix anything in Chicago?

So with your inputs it isn't about broken families then. Good we can take that off the list of possible reasons. I was giving that too much credit. Glad you cleared that up for us and we can narrow our list of suspects.

And again as you confirmed, it doesn't matter that Illinois has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, it hasn't solved any crime problems in Chicago. So we can take access to guns off the list as it appears that no matter what guns will be a component of crimes committed.

And we also showed that Chicago isn't a predominant black population. And the original article posted showed that in fact the black population was diminishing in Chicago, even though the amount of crimes being committed by them continued to rise.. So we can eliminate it being about a majority population making a logical argument that the majority population commits the majority of crime as is commonly used to defend the numbers.

And for whatever reason you showed that the prison population does show a crime rate higher than all the other countries listed. I am pretty sure we know we have a crime problem in America. Just trying to see if we can agree on who is doing it and what is the cause. I am again open to the idea of comparing demographics that would steer us away from

So so far Chicago crime is based on........?????

 

Is it your notion that the reason your thread was shut down is because it was "about crime and why it stemmed from a predominant group of people". I think it was because the thread had drifted off topic and was hijacked by trolls into several more pages on gun control.

 

I said repeatedly in that thread that gun control is a moot point as it applied to that thread.. Chicago has strict gun control laws, yet it hasn't slowed down crimes committed with guns. I didn't shut it down. I had no say in it. I did however point out that a gun topic thread goes 80 pages and a thread that discusses using guns to commit crimes gets shut down. It could have had all the Off Topic gun control discussions culled from the thread. Like I have seen the site do to censor other threads. It was instead closed. With this reason given:

"I'm sorry but this is frustrating... I think it is time to close this thread as we have other threads on the same subject...as well as there seems to be a bit of a problem here going in circles. As if someone is deliberately stirring a pot."

Yet a day after its closed, a moderator can continue posting to it off topic, with personal opinions and insults that cannot be responded to.

Not all that shocking. Just pointing out the obvious.

 

It was also pointed out (by me) that while Chicago has the highest absolute homicide rate, that's mainly because it has such a high absolute population. Other cities have a substantially higher per capita homicide rate. You then shifted the focus to other cities, bringing in Boston, in particular. One of the problems in your earlier post was that you'd ask the big questions without providing much of your own theories and evidence about causes and cures. The fact is, criminologists can't agree on these matters, but we're supposed to come up with sophisticated (or even worse, unsophisticated ones) to explain why the homicide rate in Chicago is much higher from that in Boston. An exhaustive study by the Brennan Center for Criminal Justice in 2015 found significant relationships between decreased crime and growth in income and an aging population. The introduction of CompStat, a data-driven policing technique, also played a significant role in reducing crime in cities that introduced it.What Caused the Crime Decline? The Center's 2016 report found that the murder rate in just three cities (Chicago, Baltimore, and Washington, D.C)., accounted for about half of the national increase in homicides :"The authors attempted to investigate causes of these spikes, but ultimately were unable to draw conclusions due to lack of data. Based on their research, however, the authors believe cities with long-term socioeconomic problems (high poverty, unemployment, and racial segregation) are more prone to short-term spikes in crime." https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/publication/Crime_2016_Preliminary_Analysis.pdf
Yes, those three cities have high African-American populations, but why then do affluent African -American communities like Hillcrest, New York; Woodmore Hills, Maryland; Quinby, Conn.; Forest Park, OK.) have low homicide rates. Is New York City's relatively low homicide rate compared with Chicago's a reflection of the fact that it is less ghettoized, with greater gentrification of urban neighborhoods?

We mentioned the contrast in murder rates between Boston and Chicago. Boston developed a change in policing practices called focused deterrence or "hot spot" policing that was correlated with a sharp drop in violent crime. This involves targeting visible police presence and resources to specific high crime areas. It seems to be most effective when coupled with partnerships with community leaders, to involve them in the effort. The 2016 study by the Brennan Center of Justice found slight correlations of effectiveness for various policing policies like the "broken windows" policy of going after minor crimes like vandalism to increase neighborhood crime, New York City's CompStat system for targeting crime areas (coupled with departmental follow-up programs of deployment and accountability) etc.https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/publications/Crime_in_2015.pdf But slight improvements add up. Violent crime is a complex, multi-dimensional problem, and we also talked about contributing factors like poverty (the Brennan Center found that rising incomes are significantly related to crime reduction), family structure, clustering of single-family homes in high poverty--low employment areas (family structure being significantly impacted by poverty), and culture resulting from distinctive histories for the various communities--in the case of African-Americans, a history of bondage and subsequent institutionalized and informal segregation which no other category can match (a factor which is typically denied or minimized by conservative commentators). But we also talked about how difficult it is to solve these problems. Although we should keep trying, gun control, albeit not a cure all either, might be easier.

 

Violent crime is a complex issue, and one where the multitude of variations of all the causal variables isn't the same in every community in America. As a result remedies to improve the situation are complex and will also be varied by community. There is no solution however that doesn't include as part of the equation, seriously addressing gun laws. Those that deny are selfish and put their own interests above others.

 

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QUOTE: Is it your notion that the reason your thread was shut down is because it was "about crime and why it stemmed from a predominant group of people". I think it was because the thread had drifted off topic and was hijacked by trolls into several more pages on gun control.
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Actually, here's where that thread began its drift: We've covered School shootings. Now lets tackle Chicago.

8th post down.

 

This has two parts to it.

More than one kid trying to be heard. The 2nd resulted in threats of violence by the left.

Student Assaulted for Pro-Second Amendment Views, Then Suspended for Defending Himself | Trending

 

I didn't select Boston. I asked for comparitive examples of comparable cities and Demographic comparisons. Boston was used as an example. We never got far enough into the data to see how it compared to Chicago. Other than proving that gun control measures don't appear to work for either city.

If you want to offer comparable cities, do so. You seem to suggest that your picks don't reflect a high crime rate with affluent black population. So if those are your choices, let's compare them.

 

The bulge in a conservative woman's pants is a concealed hand gun

The bulge in a progressive woman's pants is a concealed penis

 

I think it's important to understand that students were invited to attend a walkout, not forced. They understood that they were standing up for something. I think that's good and important.

 

No, man. Far too much work for something I won't be paid for. We're talking about a masters thesis, if not a Ph.D. dissertation.

 

Yeah, I think maybe he should try to avoid op-ed sources. At least?

 

I don't particularly care for that argument because it fails to understand the advanced marginality experience by so many African Americans. Many are structurally disadvantaged their entire lives.

 

The Donald could give us lessons.

 

I think Okiefreak was being facetious.

 

You're right!