The Donald Trump Score Card

"But some pollsters, especially the relatively few who conduct surveys in battleground states, are still grappling with the problems that plagued those polls four years ago. In fact, most pollsters believe that, on balance, state polls are overstating the scale of Biden’s advantage.

That was precisely the problem in 2016: The national polls were largely accurate, to within the margin of error. But there were too few state polls, and many of those that were conducted failed to collect accurate data, especially from white voters without college degrees in key swing states."


Trump has a point about the polls

 

Wrat

But does the statement or opinion stand up to questioning and criticism?

If an argument or opinion turns out to be crap when put under scrutiny - wanting people to agreeing to disagree on that crap doesn’t make it any less crap.

It is just evasion a way of trying to stop crap ideas from been put under scrutiny.

And crap ideas can lead to people supporting crap actions and policies – nothing good was built on a foundation of crap.

But I’d ask again why would anyone want to hold onto crap ideas that they cannot defend in any rational or reasonable way.

 

wrat

"LOL for someone that is on record as saying they would have no objection to slavery as long as it was advantageous to them, I’m not sure if you know what is morally right or wrong … but leaving that aside…"

It is a question – can someone that would accept slavery as long as it was advantageous to them, know what is morally right or wrong.

This grew out of you wanting to know how a society decides what is fair and unfair.

And I asked you which side would you have been on? Would you have opposed the ending of slavery or fought for it?

Your counter argument based on you belief that life isn’t fair and should not be fair was that if slavery existed and was advantageous to you, you could accept its existence.

That you would have no moral objection even when you claim to champion ‘liberty and ‘freedom’ and ‘personal responsibility’ (how does a slave have personal responsibility).

Your argument seemed to be that your selfish interests would outweigh and trump any prior belief in the liberty and freedom of others.

Can you explain why you think that is a morally good stance?

 

VG

Can you back up these figures?

You ask a question then answer it, but where did that answer come from?

What is this based on?

The Vera Institute of Justice, a nonprofit research and policy organization, took more than two years to combine eight different federal databases into a tool that allows users to analyze arrest trends at the national, state, and county levels against a series of variables, including offense types, demographic factors, and solved crimes.

Their figure was that around 10.5 million arrests made a year.

Really not sure what your point is here. All the lefties that I know can have an opinion on many differing subjects at the same time are you saying right wingers can’t? They for example can think statues put up to what are basically racist traitors should be brought down (and I’d say put in a museum where their context can be learnt) and at the same time be against bad police practices and the alleviation of poverty.

Also it seems a bit rich for Social Darwinist based right wingers like yourself to be talking of concern for those living in poverty when their ideas have done so much to cause it.

 

Can people please read the sticky in the Politic forum

A polite notice

And the Politics forum Guidelines

Politics Forum Guidelines

The second of which states very clearly -

As often stated this is not a bulletin board it is a place to debate politics. [my bold]

The Politics forum has long been different than the other forums in the Hip universe with its own rules and even at times restrictions (at one time you needed to have posted 100 posts in other forums before been allowed to post in Politics)

It has also allowed a certain amount of leeway - there is a realisation that debates can be heated and a blind eye can be given BUT too often these days there are those coming to the forum that have no intention of entering into debate and others whose sole purpose seems to be to snipe at those that do and disrupt those that are taking place.

If people genuinely wish to debate they are welcome but if not and only post in Politics to spread lies and culture war propaganda they are not welcome and their posts may be deleted and if they persist in trying to be disruptive then other measures might need to be taken.

 

There was no question there real or implied it was a statement . Questions have a ????? your phrasing did not even HINT at a question
you never answered if there was a difference between a statement and an opinion. or whether agreeing to disagree was trolling
As I pointed out to you in thread it grew out of you never answered MY QUESTIONS and even VG called you out on it

 

Wrat

Sorry mate I think you need to calm down take a deep breath and try and explain yourself a bit more clearly. This is all over the place.

Can you answer the question?

Not sure what you are trying to say about statement and opinion?

I’ve already explaining my thinking on agreeing to disagree?

Not sure what questions you are talking about if you wish to clearly present what you think I haven’t answered in that thread, I’d be happy to take a look and see what I can do.

 

Trump wants more debates against Biden, which indicates he feels he's now the underdog and has less to lose.

In the pre-virus era when his poll numbers were better, Trump was talking about boycotting the presidential debates.


Trump mounts campaign for more debates against Biden
The president has tapped Rudy Giuliani to press the Commission on Presidential Debates for major changes.
By ALEX ISENSTADT
06/18/2020 01:00 PM EDT
Updated: 06/18/2020 06:04 PM EDT

Trump mounts campaign for more debates against Biden

 

UHM ok sure

 

Convoluted statements by Trump.

He's taking credit for bringing attention to Juneteenth, although he doesn't say (or doesn't realize) that he did it in a way that further smears his reputation with African-Americans..

He's claiming to have invented the greatest coronavirus testing machine ever, although he's trying to squelch test results because he says they make him look bad.

He encouraged his followers to violate his own coronavirus guidelines by demonstrating at the statehouses of states with Democratic governors, referring to them as good people with whom governors should strike a deal that violates his own guidelines.

He signed an executive order to make it look like he wants to help African-Americans with racial injustice but skirted the issue of racism and stated that the number of bad police officers is very tiny.

He claimed he was in the White House bunker only to briefly inspect it, although he emerged fuming enough that he felt compelled to do a botched photo-op in front of a church holding a Bible upside-down after tear-gassing peaceful demonstrators to try to prove he is strong enough to not hide in a bunker.

He said he wanted his people to testify at his impeachment hearings because they had information that would exonerate him, but he made every effort to prevent all of them from testiftying, including a frat boy stunt by 'law and order' Gaetz of storming the hearings which violated House rules.

He said he wanted so badly to attend the impeachment hearings but didn't for unspecified reasons.

 

Lindsay Graham must be jealous.
Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz Tells the Story of the Teen He's Been Raising Whom He Calls His 'Son'

 

more like a -12 points

 

Do you really believe in or find the polls to be reliable?
Do most actually even answer the question honestly?

 

Isn't it interesting that peaceful protesting will not be tolerated...

 

Trump threatens protesters in Tulsa with his usual bellicose statements.

He still hasn't sent the military to Seattle to dismantle the peaceful freedom zones after threatening them.



Oklahoma Supreme Court refuses to block Trump rally for health concerns; Trump threatens protesters - live updates
Bart Jansen and Tim Willert
Published 10:45 a.m. ET June 19, 2020
Updated 3:44 p.m. ET June 19, 2020

Trump Tulsa rally: OK Supreme Court refuses to block, Trump threatens protesters

excerpt:

"The petition cited a rise in documented cases of COVID-19 in Tulsa County, which have spiked in recent days. Oklahoma set a new state record for case increases in a single day on Thursday, confirming 450 new cases. The state added 352 new cases on Friday, giving it 802 new cases in two days.

"Despite this alarming uptick ... ASM Global plans to host an event that will bring tens of thousands of people into an enclosed area in downtown Tulsa ... without putting precautions in place to prevent the spread of the virus," the petition stated.

"All credible, qualified medical experts, including the CDC, agree that this type of mass-gathering indoor event creates the greatest possible risk of community-wide viral transmission.""

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Within 7-10 days thousands of Trump supporters will suddenly become true believers in the pandemic
as they gather indoors tomorrow in Tulsa without masks.or social distancing....lol...

 

Are you really genuinely pleased that many could get sick and or die?

 

It's my hope the president cancels the rally out of safety and health concern for his constituents, but we both know
there's not a Chinamen's chance of that happening.