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#31 Ajay0

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Posted February 22 2017 - 04:10 AM

The problem is that if you post about a particular person, you're often going to encounter reactions here from people who have a different or even opposite view. If you hold someone up as an example, and another thinks they're not such a great example - well, that's forums.

 

 

 If a person who owns over 300 luxury cars tells you that true happiness comes from within, it's almost certainly going to raise a few eyebrows.

 

Yes, as said before, if you wish to discuss Osho's wealth or even  the Pope's , do it on an another thread.  Do not deviate from the theme set in the op. 


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Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


#32 BlackBillBlake

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Posted February 22 2017 - 04:18 AM

Yes, as said before, if you wish to discuss Osho's wealth or even  the Pope's , do it on an another thread.  Do not deviate from the theme set in the op. 

Is it deviation though? It's certainly related. There's the old saying of 'practice what you preach'. To me it appears that Osho didn't do that, but used rationalizations to justify indulgence on a mega scale.

 

The Pope doesn't personally own the wealth of the Catholic Church BTW.



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Posted February 22 2017 - 04:48 AM

Is it deviation though? It's certainly related. There's the old saying of 'practice what you preach'. To me it appears that Osho didn't do that, but used rationalizations to justify indulgence on a mega scale.

 

  You can go through Osho's book, 'Awareness : The key to living in balance'. He explains the reasons for his methods. 

 

Abstinence is great in a pre-industrial world, but in the modern industrialised world where food, and primary human needs are available in plenty, with plenty of wealth compared to the past, along with changes in fashion that stresses more on baring the body, along with cheap and easily available pornography, the human mind is obsessed with sex. Sex scandals were common even for the monks and clergy in the past as well. I have read of a pope who had many illegitimate children.  This is the era of short skirts, miniskirts and tank tops. 

 

Osho felt that for such a mind, also stressed out greatly due to the tensions and strains of the modern world, could relax by shedding inhibitions, along with conditionings that could bring guilt and repressions which actually make the mind more unconscious. 

 

Hence his teachings on indulgence and gibberish so as to express completely the hidden tensions and feelings within the mind and purge it out . 

 

He had also advocated the method of meditative awareness in the beginning itself for those who do not have a highly conflict ridden mind. 

 

But the basic philosophy of tantra or yoga remains the same, that is of the inevitability of gaining happiness of  a permanent nature from sense-objects. Indulgence in them will also bring out this truth and the more sensitive and intelligent one is , the more this truth will be evident to him or her. 


When the robot mind is mastered, undisciplined thinking ceases and is replaced by awareness. Awareness can know love. You can only experience the new when you are aware, when you are without thought. -- Barry Long
 
Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


#34 BlackBillBlake

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Posted February 22 2017 - 08:23 AM

 

 

But the basic philosophy of tantra or yoga remains the same, that is of the inevitability of gaining happiness of  a permanent nature from sense-objects. Indulgence in them will also bring out this truth and the more sensitive and intelligent one is , the more this truth will be evident to him or her. 

In most instances though indulgence is just that. It doesn't lead to anything but more indulgence. The majority are neither sensitive or particularly intelligent, and seeing things like a guru with 365 rollers is very easily taken as yet another sign that you've only really made if you have a lot of money.

 

There are millions of books out there, and their authors make many claims. However, some who seek to teach others prefer to lead by example rather than reliance on words.

 

If we're going to avoid disaster, people will have to be prepared to make sacrifices, not simply indulge their illusions. The notion that we can turn around the looming environmental disaster and still continue with the consumer type culture as it exists now is a nonsense as far as I can see. There will be no place for even a single Rolls Royce in the future, assuming we have a future, which is an open question.
There simply isn't time to wait for everyone to wake up through whatever method. People will have to be re-conditioned, just as they are conditioned now by consumerism, TV, and dinosaur politics. If those who claim to have the answers simply repeat the old formula of 'look at me. I've got a big car' (or 365 of them even) it really sends the wrong message. 
 
That's my view on it anyway. Probably in a thread about how true happiness comes from within, Osho is not a very good example.


#35 Ajay0

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Posted February 22 2017 - 09:21 AM

 

 

 
That's my view on it anyway. Probably in a thread about how true happiness comes from within, Osho is not a very good example.

 

 

  He claimed to be enlightened and blissed,  happy with his life whether as a rebellious student, or as an articulate professor not ready to take any nonsense from unruly students wielding weapons and gang power in universities, or later as an orator or author or spiritual master .

 

So that brings up the question on whether you are blissed and happy with your life, and consider your life a very good example to emulate !


Edited by Ajay0, February 22 2017 - 09:21 AM.

When the robot mind is mastered, undisciplined thinking ceases and is replaced by awareness. Awareness can know love. You can only experience the new when you are aware, when you are without thought. -- Barry Long
 
Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


#36 BlackBillBlake

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Posted February 23 2017 - 04:32 AM

 

 

 

  He claimed to be enlightened and blissed,  happy with his life whether as a rebellious student, or as an articulate professor not ready to take any nonsense from unruly students wielding weapons and gang power in universities, or later as an orator or author or spiritual master .

 

So that brings up the question on whether you are blissed and happy with your life, and consider your life a very good example to emulate !

 

 I'm quite happy. Although I do have problems, mainly on the health front, I am grateful for the many blessings in my life.The many pressing problems that afflict humanity in general are the main source of concern. I can't say I'm an example to others because I don't set myself up to teach anyone, or really to exert an influence.I suppose I've had an influence on a few people - my daughter for instance, one or two friends

.People have to find their own paths. I'm not a person who says 'look I'm enlightened' or anything like that.I certainly don't see myself as any kind of guru. One has a certain level of experience,knowledge etc and I try to let that be my guide.

 

I try to do what I can in whatever small ways I can. 

 

How about you?



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Posted February 23 2017 - 06:29 AM

 I'm quite happy. 

 

Good for you, and I hope you said this honestly. I understand that you had a problem with alcoholism in youth, and may have cleared it out of your system now. 

 

How about you? 

 

 

I am content with life due to my experiential conviction that pure consciousness pervades all of existence at the most fundamental or basic level, and pure consciousness is pure love itself. 

 

Hence an inner contentment. 


Edited by Ajay0, February 23 2017 - 06:30 AM.

When the robot mind is mastered, undisciplined thinking ceases and is replaced by awareness. Awareness can know love. You can only experience the new when you are aware, when you are without thought. -- Barry Long
 
Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


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Posted February 24 2017 - 03:44 AM

 

Good for you, and I hope you said this honestly. I understand that you had a problem with alcoholism in youth, and may have cleared it out of your system now. 

 

 

 

I am content with life due to my experiential conviction that pure consciousness pervades all of existence at the most fundamental or basic level, and pure consciousness is pure love itself. 

 

Hence an inner contentment. 

 

Why would I be dishonest? What possible gain for me could there be? And why would you think I might falsify things? 

 

Although we may not agree about particular gurus,the value of art, or probably many other matters, I suspect we may have more in common than might appear.






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