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#1 Ajay0

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Posted August 17 2016 - 06:28 AM

 The philosopher Jiddu Krishnamurti on what makes a true artist ...


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Posted August 17 2016 - 06:55 AM

Yet many great artists are nothing like that at all.Many have even led quite dissolute lives. or been people filled with passion. Maybe too much perfection would not lead to much creativity.



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Posted August 17 2016 - 07:56 AM

Yet many great artists are nothing like that at all.Many have even led quite dissolute lives. or been people filled with passion. Maybe too much perfection would not lead to much creativity.

 

As per Gurdjieff and Osho, art can be divided into subjective art and objective art.  You can see their definitions in the links. 

 

The parameter here is the state of consciousness from which the artist wielded his brush or instrument or pen , the chaotic mind or the still no-mind. 


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Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


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Posted August 17 2016 - 08:25 AM

As per Gurdjieff and Osho, art can be divided into subjective art and objective art.  You can see their definitions in the links. 

 

The parameter here is the state of consciousness from which the artist wielded his brush or instrument or pen , the chaotic mind or the still no-mind. 

If it's art we're talking about, I'd say the work is everything. But I'd be interested to know some examples of pictorial art you'd define as objective.



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Posted August 17 2016 - 09:30 AM

How interesting!
I understand all of this very well.....but it is annoying when people try to describe that which cannot be described....
but I will further this by saying......if you look at a piece of art...
How does it make you feel?
dizzy?
nauseous?
sick?
confused?
scratching your head and telling yourself, I know I should like this piece as everyone tells me I should and the experts deem it as so.....but I am not getting it.....
or does the piece make you feel happy, peaceful, serene....able to use your own imagination to an extent.....

Art is the direct relationship between the artist and viewer...Something which makes me feel sick and dizzy may make you feel happy....It is all subjective.

i fight so hard all of the time to put into words what cannot be.

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Posted August 17 2016 - 11:56 AM

"All Western sculpture is sexual. You see the Roman sculpture: beautiful, but something creates sexuality in you. It hits your sexual center. It does not give you an uplift."

-Osho.

 

I assume this gentleman never saw Trajan's Column or many statues of emperors senators or other worthies of Rome of which huge numbers exist, most of which are to my mind decidedly un-sexy. This is the trouble when people try to generalize about a thing a broad as Roman sculpture. Obviously Osho was thinking only of the sexy statues with which he was familiar.

 

If you expand it to western sculpture in general what he says is simply ludicrous. How many totally un-sexy statues are there in European cathedrals for instance? In European cities?



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Posted August 19 2016 - 07:05 AM

Yet many great artists are nothing like that at all.Many have even led quite dissolute lives. or been people filled with passion. Maybe too much perfection would not lead to much creativity.

 

This is because most of these artists of the west lived and created their art on the background of the chaotic mind. Some even went insane and committed suicide.

 

They did not know the art of meditation, of stilling the mind and operating out of a state of pure consciousness which would have enabled them to transcend the madness and chaos of the mind. 

 

As Osho says,  " All creativity is a deep suffering, unless your creativity does not come out of the mind, but out of meditation. When it comes out of meditation, creativity is sharing the joy, sharing the blissfulness that you have. Mind has no joy - it is really a wound, very painful."

 

 

If it's art we're talking about, I'd say the work is everything. 

 

 

Would just technical excellence count as art ! There are many nazi propaganda paintings used as posters which are technically sound but are quite superficial in their content.  There are technically sound quacks who can copy famous paintings which even experts would find hard to differentiate. 

 

A criterion which can be used to define art would be that of Leo Tolstoy's saying on art. 

 

Art is a human activity , whose purpose is the transmission of the highest and best feelings to which men have attained. 

 

 

And objective art , which enables one to bring the viewer to an elevated state of consciousness himself or herself, would qualify in this regard. 

 

 

Objective art helps to induce in the viewer , as Gurdjieff and Osho put it, a meditative consciousness which brings along with it joy and bliss. 

 

The cyclone is chaotic in the periphery but calm and still in the centre . This is a good analogy for the mind as well. 

 

Objective art thus helps to make the mind centred and balance the consciousness, which otherwise is imbalanced and vacillating due to the numerous unconscious psychological tendencies within, manifesting as various likes and dislikes, cravings and aversions. 

 

Subjective art definitely has its utility. Many find painting and playing music therapeutic. 

 

Subjective art is a catharsis ; it helps the mental health of the individual who has created it by helping him or her to throw out the inner unconscious turbulence within and relax the mind. 

 

But as Osho stated, half-humorously and half-seriously, he should not display his creation to others as it might endanger their own mental health. There are films and literature which has inspired serial killers and criminals, and all those would come under extreme subjective art. 

 

Subjective art is like dreaming. Your dreams are but a way of ejecting out of the system all that you have repressed in your day to day life. If you have repressed sex you will have sexual dreams. Whatever you repress will manifest subtlely as dreams. 

 

Those who are deeply meditative have no dreams whatsoever because they experience everything totally and intensely without allowing any mental residue to linger. They are able to attain deep sleep thereby which is refreshing and peaceful. 

 

 


Edited by Ajay0, August 19 2016 - 07:33 AM.

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Posted August 19 2016 - 07:20 AM

"All Western sculpture is sexual. You see the Roman sculpture: beautiful, but something creates sexuality in you. It hits your sexual center. It does not give you an uplift."

-Osho.

 

I assume this gentleman never saw Trajan's Column or many statues of emperors senators or other worthies of Rome of which huge numbers exist, most of which are to my mind decidedly un-sexy. This is the trouble when people try to generalize about a thing a broad as Roman sculpture. Obviously Osho was thinking only of the sexy statues with which he was familiar.

 

If you expand it to western sculpture in general what he says is simply ludicrous. How many totally un-sexy statues are there in European cathedrals for instance? In European cities?

 

What Osho meant to say was that the state of consciousness from which the artist applied himself was that of the mind, and not that of thoughtless awareness which comes with meditation. And this is understandable because the west is not familiar with meditation as it is in the east which helps the artist to transcend the mind and observe reality as it is without the interference of the conditioned mind. 

 

The greatest sense-pleasure is obviously sex, and this colours the perception of the mind and leaves its residue in its works.

 

Here are some more notes on objective art by Osho. 

 

 

 

Here's one by Osho himself. 

 

 

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A link on more of his paintings. 


Edited by Ajay0, August 19 2016 - 07:31 AM.

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Posted August 19 2016 - 07:47 AM

scratching your head and telling yourself, I know I should like this piece as everyone tells me I should and the experts deem it as so.....but I am not getting it.....
 

I find it useful to try and understand where the art comes from. What inspired the artist, and what technique is he/she trying to use. 


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Posted August 19 2016 - 08:44 AM

Don't hate me, but that piece by Osho you are showing here makes me feel kind of dizzy and i cannot relate to it very well......physically......

I try not to get too cerebral about art....and let it be a pure experience of feeling and connection or not....I just know what I connect to on all levels with sight only when it comes to art......and that is very subjective to each viewer......as we are all bringing what we have inside of us to anything we see, also......


Edited by Moonglow181, August 19 2016 - 08:45 AM.


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Posted August 20 2016 - 12:06 AM

Don't hate me, but that piece by Osho you are showing here makes me feel kind of dizzy and i cannot relate to it very well......physically......

I try not to get too cerebral about art....and let it be a pure experience of feeling and connection or not....I just know what I connect to on all levels with sight only when it comes to art......and that is very subjective to each viewer......as we are all bringing what we have inside of us to anything we see, also......

 

Thank you for your comments. I would say that the painting was an expression of a blissful consciousness, not a turbulent mind. It is similar to what a blissful and happy child paints. 

 

There are people who develop headaches while attempting to learn and practice meditation. The mind is so used to turbulence and incessant thinking,  that the initial attempts to still it can provoke a reaction. 

 


Edited by Ajay0, August 20 2016 - 12:06 AM.

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Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


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Posted August 20 2016 - 12:28 AM

"All Western sculpture is sexual. You see the Roman sculpture: beautiful, but something creates sexuality in you. It hits your sexual center. It does not give you an uplift."

-Osho.

 

An another way of putting this is that the state of consciousness of the one who creates permeates his creation as well. 

 

There are seven chakras or life-force energy centers in the body.  The chakras in each person vibrate at different levels corresponding to the state of consciousness in the person. 

 

The lower chakras are associated with fundamental emotions and needs, while the higher chakras with spiritual and intellectual refinement and perfection. 

 

One's energies may be  dominant in a certain chakra, and one would show charecterestics related to that center. 

 

The sculptures may have been made by sculptors in whom the sex centre or muladhara was dominant , and this is reflected in the viewer as well. 

 

Osho has indeed praised Roman sculpture as beautiful in form and detail , and at the same time he could perceive the state of consciousness of the sculptor who created it as well, and gave his critical report in that regard. 


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Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


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Posted August 21 2016 - 01:39 AM

Objective art , that is art created from a higher state of meditative consciousness, also elicits a positive response from nature as well. 


http://www.dovesong....experiments.asp


In 1973, a woman named Dorothy Retallack published a small book called The Sound of Music and Plants. Her book detailed experiments that she had been conducting at the Colorado Woman’s College in Denver using the school’s three Biotronic Control Chambers. Mrs. Retallack placed plants in each chamber and speakers through which she played sounds and particular styles of music. She watched the plants and recorded their progress daily.


Plants which were exposed to rock music were found to be unhealthy and stunted and were bending away from the radio.

Plants which were exposed to soothing music were growing healthily and their stems were starting to bend towards the radio!

Similar results were oberved when the plants were subjected to western classical music like Bach and the plants leaned toward the speakers.

Retallack observed that the plants exposed to Indian classical music leaned toward the speakers the most.

The most noticeable positive reactions were to classical Indian music for plants.

Scientists Vidya Chivukula and Shivaraman Ramaswamy published a research paper in the International Journal of Environmental Science and Development, Vol. 5, No. 5, October 2014, citing the effects of music on the growth of plants.  The plants were divided into five groups and each group was subjected to one of the following types of music, Indian Classical music, Vedic chants, Western Classical music, and Rock music while one group was kept in silence as the control group. Vedic chants and Indian classical music were found to promote the growth of plants the best as compared to the other music systems.

http://www.ijesd.org.../522-CD0162.pdf


 


Edited by Ajay0, August 21 2016 - 01:57 AM.

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Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


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Posted August 24 2016 - 02:59 AM

What Osho meant to say was that the state of consciousness from which the artist applied himself was that of the mind, and not that of thoughtless awareness which comes with meditation. And this is understandable because the west is not familiar with meditation as it is in the east which helps the artist to transcend the mind and observe reality as it is without the interference of the conditioned mind. 

 

The greatest sense-pleasure is obviously sex, and this colours the perception of the mind and leaves its residue in its works.

 

Here are some more notes on objective art by Osho. 

 

 

 

Here's one by Osho himself. 

 

 

oa_calli.jpg

 

 

 

 

A link on more of his paintings. 

If this is an example of 'objective' art, I think that the genre has a very long way to go. I'm afraid this looks to me like rubbish.

 

If you say that art that was produced by an artist who wasn't into meditation is inferior, then pretty much the whole of western art is to be written off. According to the standard Osho gives, one would have to consider this kind of daubing as superior to Rembrandt, Michael Angelo, Turner or a whole host of other painters generally considered great artists. 



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Posted August 24 2016 - 03:29 AM

 

This is because most of these artists of the west lived and created their art on the background of the chaotic mind. Some even went insane and committed suicide.

 

 

Would just technical excellence count as art ! There are many nazi propaganda paintings used as posters which are technically sound but are quite superficial in their content.  There are technically sound quacks who can copy famous paintings which even experts would find hard to differentiate. 

 

A criterion which can be used to define art would be that of Leo Tolstoy's saying on art. 

 

Art is a human activity , whose purpose is the transmission of the highest and best feelings to which men have attained. 

 

 

And objective art , which enables one to bring the viewer to an elevated state of consciousness himself or herself, would qualify in this regard. 

 

 

 

I din't say technical skill alone can produce great art. I said the work is what counts. Jean Cocteau said 'art is a form of sweat. What interests me is the exercise a man takes to produce that sweat'. Personally, I just look at the work. 

 

I can think of a very long list of western artists who didn't go insane or commit suicide, and to judge by many works of art, it's hard to imagine that the artist was in a chaotic mental state when they produced the work.

 

Tolstoy is perhaps an unfortunate example here, as he repudiated all of his novels later in life when he became religious. 

 

But there's a great deal of western art, produced without any formal meditation on the part of the artists that can be uplifting. Look at some of the works of the great painters of the Renaissance for example



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Posted August 24 2016 - 03:31 AM


Similar results were oberved when the plants were subjected to western classical music like Bach and the plants leaned toward the speakers.
 

The question here is :did Bach meditate? Probably not in any formal sense. 



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Posted August 24 2016 - 04:09 AM

If this is an example of 'objective' art, I think that the genre has a very long way to go. I'm afraid this looks to me like rubbish.

 

See, Osho was enlightened. He operated from a perpetual state of thoughtless awareness, and intuition guided his brush, not thought or imagination. In other artists, the latter is the case, that is , thought and imagination with some intuition as per the degree of spiritual development. 

 

The state of consciousness in which art is produced constitutes a vital difference, even if it is not properly perceived or comprehended now at present. The response of the plants in the experiments to the various musical systems offers a clue in this regard. 


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Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


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Posted August 24 2016 - 04:31 AM

See, Osho was enlightened. He operated from a perpetual state of thoughtless awareness, and intuition guided his brush, not thought or imagination. In other artists, the latter is the case, that is , thought and imagination with some intuition as per the degree of spiritual development. 

 

The state of consciousness in which art is produced constitutes a vital difference, even if it is not properly perceived or comprehended now at present. The response of the plants in the experiments to the various musical systems offers a clue in this regard. 

Osho's enlightenment or otherwise is a matter of some debate. To many he appears to be a charlatan. You say thoughtless awareness and intuition guided his brush - well, clearly it wasn't any kind of artistic skill.

 

The response of plants to classical music doesn't help your case, as none of those composers were meditators. 



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Posted August 24 2016 - 04:37 AM

At Osho's (then Bhagavan Rajneesh) ashram, followers took drugs and danced naked to rock n'roll. That's based on accounts of 2 people I knew who were followers back in the 70's. So called 'orange people'.

 

If focus on sex is on an inferior level, and rock music is no good, how does that square up?



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Posted August 25 2016 - 07:13 AM

 Objective art, wherein one creates from a state of awareness or total love, is not just confined to painting and music, but can be applied to one's profession as well. 

 

 An example is the case of Luther Burbank,an American botanist and horticulturist, who created cactus of a thornless variety for the first time ever. 

 

As Burbank stated, " The secret of improved plant breeding, apart from scientific knowledge, is love. "

 

Paramahamsa Yogananda , in his book 'The autobiography of a Yogi' records this conversation that took place between the two.

 

Burbank told Yogananda , "While I was conducting experiments to make 'spineless' cacti, I often talked to the plants to create a vibration of love. You have nothing to fear. You don't need your defensive thorns , I will protect you. '

 

Gradually, the thorny cactus evolved into a thornless variety. 

 

The book Autobiography of a Yogi was itself dedicated to the memory of Burbank by Yogananda, acknowledging him as 'An American Saint'.  

 

This is a classic example of inculcating art in one's own profession to bring about great results which is aesthetic as well. 

 

Similarly cooking food can be an objective artistic activity too. 

 

Most people prefer to take food made by their mother or wives or girlfriends or close relatives and friends , rather than going to the restaurant which may have a wider variety of cuisine and delicious food. 

 

This is because food made with love has a special taste of its own which cannot be replicated by a restaurant chef focused on profits. Osho had stated that food cooked with love changes the chemical texture of the food itself. And I would say it would have more prana or vital energy in it. 

 

Similarly food cooked with prayers and eaten saying grace by dedicating it to the divine, also tastes better than that eaten without dedication. Many have testified this to me, and it is my own experience as well. 

 

A friend of mine once told me of his religiously minded uncle, whom he used to visit. The uncle prepared food for him, chanting in the middle of the cooking process steadily.  And in my friend's own words, even though the ingredients of the food were often not in proportion, the food somehow tasted quite good. 

 

Food thus created with awareness or love can be put under objective art. 

 

The restaurant chef may create food specially decorated and aesthetic looking, but without awareness or love within, and just in his capacity as a trained professional chef. 

 

Such food created would come under subjective art. 

 

It looks good and tastes good, but somehow, you are not content within. 


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Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


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Posted August 26 2016 - 02:49 AM

^ To have love when doing things is good, but it isn't the same as doing meditation. No doubt Bach whom you mentioned loved music , and if we take an example of an artist who did commit suicide, Van Gogh, I very much suspect he loved his art. 

 

Similarly, a woman who cooks for her family has love, but may actually be an atheist, and never have engaged in any meditation. 

 

 

There's an old axiom that art is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. The inspiration for some art does seem to come from some kind of spirituality on the part of the artist. But there's a lot of painting that doesn't come out of such an experience, and some of it is definitely out of the top draw. And some of it has a quality of universality too. Take the woks of JMW Turner for example. There's really nothing at all to suggest spirituality in any overt way in Turner's work. I would argue strongly that his painting is better than Osho's by many degrees. I think one would have to be quite closed minded not to see that. Few would argue that Turner wasn't in love with art.

 

Then we have the people who whilst spiritually inclined, nonetheless also have a side to their nature of passion or the pursuit of worldly pleasure. One example I can think of would be Fra Fillipo Lippi, who although a Carmelite friar, also had affairs with women (how could he have painted them so convincingly otherwise?). Or from the world of literature, Dostoevsky - definitely a Christian, but also a compulsive gambler. 

 

The artist and the saint are different creatures, and it's rare to find someone who is both.



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Posted August 26 2016 - 07:47 AM

^ To have love when doing things is good, but it isn't the same as doing meditation. No doubt Bach whom you mentioned loved music , and if we take an example of an artist who did commit suicide, Van Gogh, I very much suspect he loved his art. 

 

Similarly, a woman who cooks for her family has love, but may actually be an atheist, and never have engaged in any meditation. 

 

 

 

Love, total or unconditional love, and meditative awareness are two sides of the same coin. Where one is , the other is bound to be there. 

 

The enlightened master Barry Long has stated thus, "When the robot mind is mastered, undisciplined thinking ceases and is replaced by awareness. Awareness can know love. "

 

There are atheists who have great value systems as well, and have the capacity to love deeply, independent or irrespective of their belief in God or the Divine.  They can turn whatever they do into an art through love for what they do. 

 

Then we have the people who whilst spiritually inclined, nonetheless also have a side to their nature of passion or the pursuit of worldly pleasure. One example I can think of would be Fra Fillipo Lippi, who although a Carmelite friar, also had affairs with women (how could he have painted them so convincingly otherwise?). Or from the world of literature, Dostoevsky - definitely a Christian, but also a compulsive gambler. 

 

The artist and the saint are different creatures, and it's rare to find someone who is both.

 

This is what Jiddu Krishnamurti was critical of. You tend to make beautiful or aesthetic what you are interested in or passionate about, and rejects the other aspects of life. Thus a fragmentation of sorts take place which brings imbalance, compartmentalizes the various aspects of life instead of combining it into a harmonious whole. It is the inner imbalance in the mind which is manifesting as the external imbalance outside. And obviously this is ugly and not artistic or beautiful in the true sense of the word.

 

It is similar to drawing or painting a certain aspect or detail on the canvas which you like or is passionate about and ignoring the rest of the details of the painting carelessly due to lack of interest.

 

A similar analogy can be drawn of a bodybuilder who had built his arms and torso well, but neglected his legs resulting in a lack of symmetry. 

 

Adolf Hitler was passionate about art himself all his life, and was a painter who sold watercolours of Vienna's sights to support himself in his early years in Vienna. Nero, it is said, was playing the lute when Rome was burning. 

 

It is important to take into perspective what Krishnamurti said on what true art is....

 

Who is the person that you call an artist? A man who is momentarily creative? To me he is not an artist. The man who merely at rare moments has this creative impulse and expresses that creativeness through perfection of technique, surely you would not call him an artist. To me, the true artist is one who lives completely, harmoniously, who does not divide his art from living, whose very life is that expression, whether it be a picture, music, or his behaviour; who has not divorced his expression on a canvas or in music or in stone from his daily conduct, daily living. That demands the highest intelligence, highest harmony. To me the true artist is the man who has that harmony. He may express it on canvas, or he may talk, or he may paint; or he may not express it at all, he may feel it. But all this demands that exquisite poise, that intensity of awareness, and therefore his expression is not divorced from the daily continuity of living.

 

 

 

And this is similar to what Osho himself stated on the issue....

 

A really spiritual person will live life as an art, will create a deep harmony between the body and the consciousness. And this is the greatest art there is. His life will be a joy to see. And he will be fragrant, for the sheer reason that there is no split in his being. The very unity makes him organic; the wound of division is healed.


Edited by Ajay0, August 26 2016 - 08:36 AM.

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Posted August 26 2016 - 08:45 AM

Love, total or unconditional love, and meditative awareness are two sides of the same coin. Where one is , the other is bound to be there. 

 

The enlightened master Barry Long has stated thus, "When the robot mind is mastered, undisciplined thinking ceases and is replaced by awareness. Awareness can know love. "

 

There are atheists who have great value systems as well, and have the capacity to love deeply, independent or irrespective of their belief in God or the Divine.  They can turn whatever they do into an art through love for what they do. 

 

 

This is what Jiddu Krishnamurti was critical of. You tend to make beautiful or aesthetic what you are interested in or passionate about, and rejects the other aspects of life. Thus a fragmentation of sorts take place which brings imbalance, compartmentalizes the various aspects of life instead of combining it into a harmonious whole. It is the inner imbalance in the mind which is manifesting as the external imbalance outside. 

 

Adolf Hitler was passionate about art himself all his life, and was a painter who sold watercolours of Vienna's sights to support himself in his early years in Vienna. Nero, it is said, was playing the lute when Rome was burning. 

 

It is important to take into perspective what Krishnamurti said on what true art is....

 

Who is the person that you call an artist? A man who is momentarily creative? To me he is not an artist. The man who merely at rare moments has this creative impulse and expresses that creativeness through perfection of technique, surely you would not call him an artist. To me, the true artist is one who lives completely, harmoniously, who does not divide his art from living, whose very life is that expression, whether it be a picture, music, or his behaviour; who has not divorced his expression on a canvas or in music or in stone from his daily conduct, daily living. That demands the highest intelligence, highest harmony. To me the true artist is the man who has that harmony. He may express it on canvas, or he may talk, or he may paint; or he may not express it at all, he may feel it. But all this demands that exquisite poise, that intensity of awareness, and therefore his expression is not divorced from the daily continuity of living.

 

 

 

 

Many parents love their children unconditionally, yet never did a minute of meditation. Love is something natural to human beings - it doesn't have to be learned in some school, and it doesn't depend on any kind of cultivated meditative awareness. 

 

Hitler's art is really not that good, that's one reason he never made it as an artist. Perhaps he could have just about done Christmas cards or chocolate boxes.His work was also completely out of kilter with the movements in Viennese art during his time. 

 

The artists I mentioned were not people who were creative only on a momentary basis, but artists who worked hard for their entire careers, and are now widely regarded as among the great masters of painting. I just don't see that Krishnamurti's comments are at all applicable. Even if these people were not perfect, their art takes us closer to a vision of perfection.

Some of the the painters of the renaissance for example may have been far from paragons of virtue (I think they did definitely have spiritual beliefs regardless), but the work still reflects some deep or ideal level. They didn't, contrary to what Krishnamurti says, depict only what captivated their desires. The work was often laid down for them, often religious subjects. Michael Angelo was gay - a great sin at the time. Lippi was a womaniser who broke his religious vows, Caravaggio a violent and drunken rowdy. To say the works of such artists is distorted by their personal desires, or that they only painted what interested them or they were passionate about is simply nonsensical. Unless of course we say they were passionate about their art.

 

My opinion is that artists are born, not made. No amount of meditation or cultivation of spirituality will make someone an artist in whom the gift is not present to some degree. 

 

A really spiritual person will live life as an art, will create a deep harmony between the body and the consciousness. And this is the greatest art there is. His life will be a joy to see. And he will be fragrant, for the sheer reason that there is no split in his being. The very unity makes him organic; the wound of division is healed.

 

 

You can't hang someone's life on your wall .We can't look at the life of a person 500 years ago, only at the work they made.



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Posted August 27 2016 - 01:08 AM

Many parents love their children unconditionally, yet never did a minute of meditation. Love is something natural to human beings - it doesn't have to be learned in some school, and it doesn't depend on any kind of cultivated meditative awareness. 

 

 

If love is natural to human beings, then the present world would be a sort of heaven by now. 

 

What you see as love is but attachment, which comes from a need of a sense of security and thereby builds up cravings and aversions, identifications and separativeness . True love gives and never demands or expects. 

 

Most parents project their own desires and expectations onto their children to satisfy their own unfulfilled egos , thereby creating a conflict with the child's natural wants and inclinations. 

 

True love along with meditative awareness is an art that has to be learnt ,understood and practiced . The unconscious ego or body-consciousness, propped up by the animalistic genetic tendencies within us which fosters selfishness, however blocks this cultivation of awareness or true love and the further evolution of human consciousness , which is the true purpose of creation. 

 

This is where the principle of spirit over matter comes into prominence. 

 

The spiritual writer Suma Varghese have written eloquently on this regard....

 

Perhaps one of the parameters by which we could gauge our evolution is to see how much hold the mind and body have on us.

At the apex of evolution, the mind takes its cues from the spirit and the body from the mind. All three are in perfect alignment, eliminating all conflicts. The more the spirit expands, the more we crest through mental and bodily limitations. The spirit contains it all and through the intellect, determines the most appropriate and loving action. Consequently we shift from low-energy to high-energy people.


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Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


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Posted August 27 2016 - 03:04 AM

The artists I mentioned were not people who were creative only on a momentary basis, but artists who worked hard for their entire careers, and are now widely regarded as among the great masters of painting. I just don't see that Krishnamurti's comments are at all applicable. Even if these people were not perfect, their art takes us closer to a vision of perfection.

 

My opinion is that artists are born, not made. No amount of meditation or cultivation of spirituality will make someone an artist in whom the gift is not present to some degree. 

 

Here art as per Krishnamurti is not implied in merely painting on a canvas, or poetry, or playing on an instrument by the artist or musician. Instead his whole life itself would be an expression of art , and expressing artistic creativity in all aspects of his life.

He had defined art as thus, "Artistry is to be completely awake and therefore to be skilful in action in the whole of life, and this is beauty."

 

'Surely the artist is one who is skilled in action. This action is in life and not outside of life. Therefore if it is living skilfully that truly makes an artist. This skill can operate for a few hours in the day when he is playing an instrument, writing poems or painting pictures, or it can operate a bit more if he is skilled in many such fragments - like those great men of the Renaissance who worked in several different media. But the few hours of music or writing may contradict the rest of his living which is in disorder and confusion. So is such a man an artist at all? The man who plays the violin with artistry and keeps his eye on his fame isn't interested in the violin, he is only exploiting it to be famous, the "me" is far more important than the music, and so it is with the writer or the painter with an eye on fame. The musician identifies his "me" with what he considers to be beautiful music, and the religious man identifies his "me" with what he considers to be the sublime. All these are skilled in their particular little fields but the rest of the vast field of life is disregarded. So we have to find out what is skill in action, in living, not only in painting or in writing or in technology, but how one can live the whole of life with skill and beauty. Are skill and beauty the same? Can a human being - whether he be an artist or not - live the whole of his life with skill and beauty? Living is action and when that action breeds sorrow it ceases to be skilful. '

 

 

Here is more of Krishnamurti's views on art so that one can get a correct perspective on his philosophy of art. 


Edited by Ajay0, August 27 2016 - 03:34 AM.

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Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


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Posted August 27 2016 - 08:23 AM

If love is natural to human beings, then the present world would be a sort of heaven by now. 

 

 

The world is already a sort of heaven - it's just that humans don't see it. Art can maybe provide a small glimpse of that. Even when art depicts ugliness or unpleasant scenes, still it helps people to organize their feelings.It helps to show what is wrong. Works like those of Otto Dix, or Picasso's 'Guernica' come into this category. They seek to show the nastiness that exists in our human world. Other forms of art more along classic lines seek more to show a kind of ideal beauty, something that perhaps doesn't even exist in this world. Something that can inspire.

 

I would agree that sexual love is in many cases but not all, somewhat dependant on a response. I wouldn't say that is true of the love of a parent, especially a mother for the child, although in some cases it may be so.

Those who wish to make love a thing that can only be attained via some form of constructed meditation technique are simply laying a big and unnecessary burden on people, often for their own  gain. Such in my view was the case of Rajneesh with his propensity to relieve followers of large quantities of their cash in exchange for telling them just what they wanted to hear, and then spend it on things like fleets of flashy cars. 

 

However, all this is getting too far away from the topic of art which is the designation of this sub-forum. I feel I've said all I want to say. To summarize, I don't think art is dependent on meditation, or even on spiritual belief on the part of the artist. I myself have spiritual beliefs, and I like some religious art, but I also like paintings such as landscapes. portraiture, even abstract works etc that have no overt spiritual element in them. I also like to sit quietly and meditate, but I don't think I need to learn from someone else how to do that, as it's really the easiest thing.

 

To say life is an art is to use the word 'art' in a different sense than that of reference to actual works one can look at, listen to or read.  Many people look at the lives of religious teachers such as Jesus or Buddha and maybe they get something from that. But few of them would refer to those lives as art. However I don't want to get caught up in a semantic discussion. Suffice it to say there also exist 'dark arts', and some people gain great proficiency in them. There's an art to the con man for instance. An art of giving a political speech loaded with falsehood and making it sound real and appeal to people. An art of the cult leader. An art of deception, and the list goes on.

 

I'd just add that 'skill in action' is often something that requires a training which has very little to do with any form of meditative awareness. Even an enlightened person can't for instance necessarily fix a faulty car unless they happened to train as a mechanic. That's probably one reason why Osho's painting looks amateurish, because he never learned to paint properly. He lacked the skill required. And really to me it's very questionable just how far his enlightenment went - not far enough to miraculously bestow the gift of art evidently.

 

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Edited by BlackBillBlake, August 27 2016 - 08:29 AM.


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Posted August 27 2016 - 08:44 AM

The world is already a sort of heaven - it's just that humans don't see it. 

 

I read in the net that 25 % of the european population is depressed. Perhaps you confuse heaven with the rising materialism and consumerism in society.  But they also bring a corresponding increase in depression and conflict as well which is bound to be so due to the inordinate attachment to sense-objects. 

 

 

 Art can maybe provide a small glimpse of that. Even when art depicts ugliness or unpleasant scenes, still it helps people to organize their feelings.It helps to show what is wrong. Works like those of Otto Dix, or Picasso's 'Guernica' come into this category. They seek to show the nastiness that exists in our human world. Other forms of art more along classic lines seek more to show a kind of ideal beauty, something that perhaps doesn't even exist in this world. Something that can inspire.

 

After the invasion of France, with many thousands killed on both sides, Hitler was seen touring Paris a few days later with renowned  architect Albert Speer and sculptor Arno Breker.

 

So why was western art , with all its inspiring ideals and capacity to help people organize their feelings, fail in the case of an art enthusiast like Adolf Hitler. 


Edited by Ajay0, August 27 2016 - 08:45 AM.

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Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


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Posted August 28 2016 - 04:54 AM

I read in the net that 25 % of the european population is depressed. Perhaps you confuse heaven with the rising materialism and consumerism in society.  But they also bring a corresponding increase in depression and conflict as well which is bound to be so due to the inordinate attachment to sense-objects. 

 

 

 

After the invasion of France, with many thousands killed on both sides, Hitler was seen touring Paris a few days later with renowned  architect Albert Speer and sculptor Arno Breker.

 

So why was western art , with all its inspiring ideals and capacity to help people organize their feelings, fail in the case of an art enthusiast like Adolf Hitler. 

The majority of Europeans aren't really that interested in art. More dominated by money, technology, materialism. And I doubt that art is going to make any difference at this point in history. It lacks the power to do so. But I didn't say that art is going to save the world - simply that it can give people an uplift. If you disagree with that, then what's the point in art at all? Simply for decoration? Why should so called 'objective art' have an effect any different from the art that already exists? Is a person more likely to move away from materialism etc if they look at Osho's pictures than if they look at those of Da Vinci? I can't see it. In fact the work is on such a level that it might be more likely to put people off looking any further at what he had to say on other matters. If you look at a painting by Leonardo, it immediately has an impact that a few black squiggles with fields of colour simply doesn't produce.

Or at least that's true for me. And like everyone else, I'm only expressing my own view. In the end I think it's a question of each to his own. Everyone has their own aesthetic values. Or at least I'd say they ought to. Intellectual laziness and lack of education etc mean that for the bulk of the population art in any meaningful sense is a closed book. But so are the fine points of things such as spiritual philosophies. 

 

I think to emphasize too much on Hitler's liking for art is a mistake. He failed as an artist, became traumatized during World War I, and is generally remembered as a military dictator rather than a failed artist.  The fact that bad people like art isn't really much of a surprise. It's a thing humans in general do like. If not it wouldn't exist. Even the earliest humans produced art. Along with science, philosophy and religion it's been one of the main ways in which human beings seek to come to a better understanding of the world.

 

The art produced by the Nazis isn't pure art. It's meant entirely for propaganda purposes. The artist under such a regime isn't free to express him or herself, but everything has to be subordinated to a political ideology. Same is true of the Soviets. One of the things I find worrying about this whole idea of objective art is who is to be the arbiter of what is and isn't objective? The Soviets for example put people like dissident artists in gulags. If the only art we are allowed to appreciate is what is approved by the 'enlightened' we're heading for trouble. Because one man's enlightened being is another man's charlatan.



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Posted August 30 2016 - 12:35 AM

When an artist creates a work of art, say a painting, poem, novel, musical sculpture..., it is not only his artistic ability that gets impressed on his creation, but also the state of consciousness of the artist as well.  This point should be borne in mind. 

 

If the state of consciousness is high, the viewer of the art work will have his consciousness ascending to the same higher state, and similary descending to an inferior state if the state of consciousness of the artist is pretty low. 

 

The lower chakras such as the Swadhisthana chakra is associated with the sexual centre, which is pretty low in the hierarchy of chakras. The hierarchy of chakras themselves deal with corresponding states of consciousness in an ascending manner. 

 

The muladhara and swadhisthana chakras which deals with the emotions and needs of self-preservation and sex , whereas the sahasrara chakra  associated with bliss and wisdom is at the highest of the chakras. 

 

Degenerate art is that which reduces the state of consciousness to a very low level. An example is of horror films which come under these and  subjective art. There are many incidents of people being inspired to commit crimes after watching such movies which one can read in the newspapers itself. Similarly I have read of a serial rapist and killer who had been exposed to his grandfather's hidden collection of pornographic tapes as a young child. 

 

We have also seen in the above posts, research papers on plants getting retarded or dying out after being exposed to certain kinds of music , and blooming and growing healthily when exposed to certain others. 

 

Music therapy is used as a healing art by certain therapists to improve mental and physical health of patients.CD's of vedic chants in sanskrit are used in India for healing purposes which has been noted for its efficacy .

 

This is the fine difference between subjective and objective art and its applications . 

 

Objective art, if understood and used intelligently can be used to for creating better health in the individual,society and living beings.

 

 

 

I think to emphasize too much on Hitler's liking for art is a mistake. He failed as an artist, became traumatized during World War I, and is generally remembered as a military dictator rather than a failed artist.  The fact that bad people like art isn't really much of a surprise. It's a thing humans in general do like. If not it wouldn't exist. Even the earliest humans produced art. Along with science, philosophy and religion it's been one of the main ways in which human beings seek to come to a better understanding of the world.

 

 

Hitler was a man who had painted a substantial number of paintings in his youth, more than a thousand in his own words, took it as a profession , associated with professional painters to learn the craft, and kept on painting in his spare time as a soldier. 

 

He maybe a failure as a professional painter, but the fact is that the sbustantial amount of time he spent on art in his life, failed to transform him into a good human being, sensitive, humane and compassionate. 

 

He painted the picture of Mary and Jesus, who were both jews, but did not hesitate to send millions of Jews to their deaths. Western art could not make a substantial impact on him and refine his emotions and sensibilities, though he spent much time in its midst, more than the average man. 

 

Therein lies the failure of western art, which is mainly subjective art, as Osho put it. 

 

Art is the midpoint between the material and the spiritual, and its function would be to harmonise these opposites in human society for its healthy functioning. 

 

Western art, as I pointed out, is inadequate in this regard . Imho,  these deficiencies could be addressed by incorporating 'Objective art philosophy' as taught by George Gurdjieff and Osho, and the philosophy of living art holistically and not just in fragments, as pointed out by Jiddu Krishnamurti. 

 

 

 

The art produced by the Nazis isn't pure art. It's meant entirely for propaganda purposes. The artist under such a regime isn't free to express him or herself, but everything has to be subordinated to a political ideology. Same is true of the Soviets. One of the things I find worrying about this whole idea of objective art is who is to be the arbiter of what is and isn't objective? The Soviets for example put people like dissident artists in gulags. If the only art we are allowed to appreciate is what is approved by the 'enlightened' we're heading for trouble. Because one man's enlightened being is another man's charlatan.

 

The arbiter is obviously one's own self , because the whole focus of objective art is to create art from a higher state of consciousness manifest in awareness or love. If the objective artist creates art from this state, he will succeed in communicating his inner state to the viewer as well, and succeeds in developing his or her consciousness as well. And if the viewer is sensitive, he will be able to perceive this as well on his part. 


Edited by Ajay0, August 30 2016 - 12:38 AM.

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Posted August 30 2016 - 03:05 AM

At Osho's (then Bhagavan Rajneesh) ashram, followers took drugs and danced naked to rock n'roll. That's based on accounts of 2 people I knew who were followers back in the 70's. So called 'orange people'.

 

If focus on sex is on an inferior level, and rock music is no good, how does that square up?

 

 
Osho emphasized catharsis for the modern man to get rid of his sexual tensions by expression and vigorous activity so as to relax himself. Many of his meditations like Dynamic Meditation and Gibberish are based on this initially. He speaks on the need for chaotic activity in the beginning by the meditator here
 
Osho never advocated drugs, but he understood that people used it as their search for higher states of consciousness in the west was stifled and drugs provided the release for it. He explains this over here
 
He prioritized meditation and introduced meditation in the understanding that the natural meditative bliss can help them overcome their addictions to external stimulations like  drugs, for attaining higher states of consciousness. 
 
The good thing about rock and roll is that you can dance vigorously and uninhibitedly to it expressing yourself, which helps one to uncoil the hidden tensions within and relax oneself. 
 
Osho worked on the level of modern man and youth, who liked rock and roll, and used it wisely to bring about a needed catharsis in them. 
 
In fact his meditations Dynamic Meditation ,Active Meditation and Gibberish meditations have these methods of vigorous activity, so that the meditator can express himself fully physically and verbally so as to release all the hidden tensions and repressed emotions, 
thoughts and feelings. 
 
It is only after one goes into this does one go to the next stage of silent and stationary meditation. 
 
 

. Such in my view was the case of Rajneesh with his propensity to relieve followers of large quantities of their cash in exchange for telling them just what they wanted to hear, and then spend it on things like fleets of flashy cars. 

 

 
This was an offer made by Osho's friends to him, and not Osho on his own.
 
You can read his description on why he has 365 rolls royces over here where he responds to an interviewer asking why he loves his 365 Rolls Royces so much.
 
 
 

Osho's enlightenment or otherwise is a matter of some debate. To many he appears to be a charlatan. 

 

 
Because of the fact that Osho advocated free sex especially amongst repressed people , and denounced organised religion and government controls and conditioning through propaganda mechanisms, virtually every nation and religion on earth was staunchly against him . And that probably brought about his untimely death as well.
 
As author Tom Robbins stated, ""Osho is the most dangerous man since Jesus Christ... He's obviously a very effective man, otherwise he wouldn't be such a threat. He's saying the same things that nobody else has the courage to say. A man who has all kinds of ideas, they're not only inflammatory - they also have a resonance of truth that scares the pants off the control freaks." 
 
But fortunately or unfortunately ( for control freaks) Osho's popularity increased dramatically after his death, and his books are bestsellers in almost every nation on earth. 
 
“Osho is probably the most published person in the world. His books have been translated into many languages that include Chinese, Japanese, Russian and Spanish. This gives them a taste of what he preached, and then they want to come here to get the complete experience,” says Vatayan, 66, a retired teacher from Germany .
 
 
As I have said , Osho's books are world bestsellers, and his paintings  are usually put in their covers. 
 
So you can say that Osho has made an impact as a painter as well, probably more than any other painter on earth as well, considering the pace at which his books with his paintings in its covers are sold. 
 
I would like to know why you seem to subscribe to the conditioned world view that he was a charlatan , instead of a sage and great philosopher, writer, poet and artist, a popular professor in university in his younger days, and a skillful orator and debater as a student which brought him credentials as a national debate champion. 
 
 
Here are some of the accolades he has gotten from around the world ....
 
 
"Never before or after have I encountered anybody having such a harmonious and immensely creative view encompassing art, science, human psychology and religiousness. Certainly we would lack substantially without his vision of the new man." 
Dr. A. Schleger, Ph.D., Institute of Technology, Switzerland
 
 
"I found No Water, No Moon one of the most refreshing, cleansing and delightful books I could imagine. It is a book which will never cease to be a comforting companion." Yehudi Menuhin
 
 
"I have never heard anyone so beautifully and playfully integrate and then dissolve the psychological problems which, for generations, have sapped our human energies." Rev. Cain, Chaplain, Churchill College Cambridge
 
 
"Without question the most inspired, the most literate and the most profoundly informed speaker I have ever heard anywhere. Everything he says in his philosophy of life has the unmistakable ring of truth: a new experience." Jean Lyell, Vogue, UK
 
 
Within a few years from now Osho's message will be heard all over the world. He was the most original thinker that India has produced: the most erudite, the most clear-headed and the most innovative. And in addition he had an inborn gift of words, spoken and written. 
The like of him we will not see for decades to come...He has to be judged as a thinker, and as a thinker he will rank amongst the giants." Khushwant Singh, Former editor of The Times of India; author and historian
 
 
"Here was a guru unencumbered by tradition, an Enlightened Master who could quote Heidegger and Sartre, and who furthermore believed in technology, capitalism, and sex... (Osho) was a brilliant lecturer.... One of his lectures ended with a description of a dewdrop sliding off a lotus leaf and being carried down a stream to the ocean. It put virtually everyone in his audience into an alpha-wave state at ten in the morning." Francis Fitzgerald (Pulitzer prizewinner), The New Yorker, USA
 
 
"He is the rarest and most talented religionist to appear this century." Kazuyoshi Kino, Professor of Buddhist Studies, Hosen Gakuen College, Tokyo, Japan
 
 
Enlightened people like Osho are ahead of their times. It is good that more and more young people are now reading his works." 
K R Narayanan, President of India
 
 
"Osho is an enlightened master who is working with all possibilities to help humanity overcome a difficult phase in developing consciousness." The Dalai Lama
 
 
As a result of reading The Golden Future (and many other works by Osho) I would like to let you know that I completely and heartily support the vision of Osho. As a writer I hope that his words will reach the hearts of those who need them most. I have every faith in this result, because the words of Osho are loaded with the power of love." Douwe de Groot, writer
 
 
Osho's position as an important mystic and philosopher is supported by an international following and a host of publications. His work is that of all great religious leaders-bringing God to man...Osho's lively appeal: jokes, limericks, verse, and tales combined with traditional religious themes." Library Journal, USA
 
 
"He Osho is the greatest incarnation after Buddha in India. He is a living Buddha." Lama Karmapa, late head of the Kargyupta, (or Red Hat) Sect of Tibetan Buddhism
 
 
"Osho will long be remembered as a great philosopher - saint and mystic of the twentieth century. His life and work will continue to inspire future generations of humankind and his powerful message of essential unity of mankind will help us to evolve a new global code of ethics for the improvement of the human condition."- Dr. Manmohan Singh,former prime minister of India
 
"Osho advocated meditation for everyone, but his technique was revolutionary, beginning not with stillness and silence but with violent activity to release pent-up energy and emotions, leading to a state of calmness in which meditation can flourish. ...This (poona ashram) is an ideal place for people to learn the dozens of meditations he designed. There's swimming meditation, dancing and martial arts meditation, smoking meditation, walking meditation, breathing meditation and meditation for couples." Washington Post
 
 
"Remarkable books." 
Nicholas Mosley, Daily Telegraph, UK
 
 
"Osho continues publishing very good spiritual texts indeed. These on Zen are direct and whimsical. ...Osho has a no-mind to his comments, sudden bursts of insight, novel ways of putting together images so that you read in an enchanted wonder." 
The Book Reader, USA
 
 
"Many subjects of interest to psycho-historians are taken up by (Osho) in this fascinating series of talks - from esoteric topics to more familiar subjects like sex, child rearing, and the place of mind in understanding the world." The Journal of Psychohistory, USA
 
 
"These are fundamental works on knowing oneself and the world. Osho's comments are truly unique." Corriere de la Serra, Italy
 
 
"Osho has a no-mind to his comments, sudden bursts of insight, novel ways of putting images together so that you read in enchanted wonder. Any spiritual teacher who has such bad publicity must be saying some wonderfully terrible things. Tune in." 
The Book Reader, USA
 
 
"Osho's speech just flows. It's not the 'what' but the 'how' that captures you." Bunte, Germany
 
 
"Osho is one of the most influential spiritual teachers of the second half of the 20th century and many thousands of people -- of all ages, from all countries and all spiritual backgrounds -- have been inspired by the simplicity and directness of his teachings." 
Penguin Books
 
 
"Osho's position as an important mystic and philosopher is supported by an international following and a host of publications. His work is that of all great religious leaders-bringing God to man...Osho's lively appeal: jokes, limericks, verse, and tales combined 
with traditional religious themes." Library Journal, USA
 
 
"In a language simple but yet profound, the master Osho indicates the art of 'dying' by learning how to live in the here and now, the eternal life." Livres Hebdo, France
 
 
"Now that religion has become just a formality, and the burning messages of the buddhas who have been on earth degraded to mere formal faith, the message of Osho, who has reached to such dazzling heights of human consciousness through his own experience, is incomparable in its strength to pierce the beauty within our hearts." Boston Club, Japan
 
 
"The way Osho is using language -- casual, provocative, iconoclastic -- is really new." Parmita, Buddhist Newsletter, Italy
 
 
"In this volume on Bodhidharma, Osho brings him to modern sensibilities but in a contemporary and interesting manner. Nearly 400 fascinatingly intelligent pages of questions and answers, lectures, writings, etc. A revolutionary, contemporary, utterly irreverent way to the spirit." The Book Reader, USA
 
"Remarkable discourses...wise and clear." 
Book Review, De Kaarsvlam
 
 
"He quotes Jesus, Buddha, Mahavira, Lao Tzu, Sufis and old Zen masters with stupendous memory, interpreting them with a freshness and directness as if they were speaking today, as if they wore jeans." Die Zeit, Germany
 
 
"One of the ten people; along with Gandhi, Nehru and Buddha; who have changed the destination of India." 
Sunday Mid-Day, India
 
 
"He wanted to be called simply Osho, because Osho is a sound that heals, and reminds us about the ocean with its infinite wisdom and mystery. In fact Osho is the greatest guru of the 20th century. As Gandhi did, he had a commune in India. Osho's commune in Pune still exists and is visited by 100,000 people every year. Osho died in 1990 aged 59, but for all the people that come close to him his spirit keeps inspiring love, consciousness, and joy." Vera, Italy
 
 
"Osho is not trying to purvey information, but a truth that bypasses conscious thought and all that belongs to it, just as the most important activities of human beings bypass the mind." 
Bernard Levin, The Times, UK
 
 
"Of all the great blessed spiritual masters, Osho is the one who speaks most clearly on the role of energy expanding and fulfilling people's consciousness." Gabriel Rosenstock, Irish Book Review
 
 
"Osho has the ability to make the esoteric seem instantly appealing and utterly obvious." 
Meditation Magazine, Canada
 
 
"No other master is known to me who is working as universally as he is." Esotera, Germany
 
 
"As a former orthodox Christian, I felt a continual sense of both joy and apprehension at this new possibility for approaching Jesus. Doubt and trust pulled me in two directions, until finally I fell in love with the words of this Indian Master and his view of Jesus." 
Glenn Moyer, Yoga Journal, USA
 
 
"In his five-volume set on Zen, Osho is at the top of his form. He talks about Gurdjieff, Gertrude Stein, drugs, Aldous Huxley, and everything under the sun." The Book Reader, USA
 
 
"There are many readers of his books in Japan. What is special about Osho is that he dares to make statements on subjects which are related to society, subjects the old Zen masters tried not to touch." Zen Bunka, Japan
 
 
"Osho delivers his theses with humor and rhetoric brilliance, indeed complacent, but with an irony that actually enhances and exhilarates." Der Spiegel, Germany
 
 
"But who was this man who was enchanting these young people, and teaching them how to get rid of all their conditionings -- political, religious and family -- without giving them any new beliefs? His knowledge of the West was as formidable as his knowledge of the East. 
From Buddha to Jesus, from Heraclitus to Marx, from the Indian mystic Tilopa to Jung, from Zen to the Sufis, from Yoga to Tantra, he would point out the strengths and weaknesses of each doctrine…. [He] was the Master who would not give solutions, but simply provide a space to let go of the madness caused by living a life where the body, mind, being and soul were not connected…. Like Socrates he [Osho] was considered a corrupter of the morals of young people; like all true philosophers he demolished a belief system that produced only unhappiness, not joy. His greatness was that he didn't give solutions, only tools for people to realize themselves... Talking about an India that we don't often remember, the India where meditation and looking inwards were priorities, Osho shows that those qualities belong not only to India from the days of Buddha but are part of our present too." Elle, Italy 
 
 
 
In this volume on Bodhidharma, Osho brings him to modern sensibilities but in a contemporary and interesting manner. Nearly 400 fascinatingly intelligent pages of questions and answers, lectures, writings, etc. A revolutionary, contemporary, utterly irreverent way to the spirit." 
The Book Reader, USA
 
"For those who think that Osho is the guide and they must become his followers, there is a bad news. Servility, the staple food that most other gurus insist on feeding their "disciples," is not encouraged by Osho. There are no -isms, only thinking and self-meditation can really take you beyond the shallow and self-destructive existence that Osho criticizes." 
The Asian Age, UK
 
"He quotes Jesus, Buddha, Mahavira, Lao Tzu, Sufis and old Zen masters with stupendous memory, interpreting them with a freshness and directness as if they were speaking today, as if they wore jeans." Die Zeit, Germany
 
 
"In a language simple but yet profound, the master Osho indicates the art of 'dying' by learning how to live in the here and now, the eternal life." Livres Hebdo, France
 
"What is left is Osho's teaching about life as "Zorba the Buddha," to be as free as Alexis Zorba and as aware as Buddha. Obviously Osho's cocktail, a mixture of religious science, philosophy, psychology and meditation, is in accordance with the zeitgeist at the end of 
the millennium. …Osho broke with social taboos, rattled at ideologies, moral views and at the image of respected political and religious leaders such as Gandhi or Mother Teresa." Facts Magazine, Switzerland
 
"Of all the great blessed spiritual masters, Osho is the one who speaks most clearly on the role of energy expanding and fulfilling people's consciousness." Gabriel Rosenstock, Irish Book Review
 
 
"The novelty of Osho's teachings is the adaptation of Eastern spiritual wisdom for the Western audience. This may explain the success of his books, ranked among the top-ten best-selling non-fiction." La Republicca, Italy
 
 
"When we wrote and prepared for shooting Vanilla Sky, I constantly checked in with Osho's insights. It is not so easy to present the unconscious mind with images and a story. Osho is the only one who can perfectly explain it all, the inner and the outer and that helped 
me and my team immensely"- Tom Cruise, actor
 
"I grew up with Osho around me. He was controversial because he had the courage to speak the truth."
- Mallika Sarabhai, famous dancer
 
 
"I have read most of [Osho's] books and listened to tapes of his talks, and I am convinced that in the spiritual tradition, here is a mind of intellectual brilliance and persuasive ability as an author." 
James Broughton, poet, and author
 
 
"I really got into Osho's books. I have always loved his books. They were top notch." Marianne Williamson, author
 
 
No one is more qualified to introduce the mystics than Osho, a man who stands out even in their exalted company. He speaks from his own experience, bringing his mystic predecessors to life, making them his contemporaries." John Lilly
 

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