Happiness Is Born Out Of Sensation, And Bliss Is Born Out Of Non-Sensation...

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Ajay0, Feb 15, 2017.

  1. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    The paradox of our existence is that we are all spirits in the material world where reality without dreams is just somebody's nightmare and dreams without reality are someone else's fantasy. Its impossible to be discontent without also being content with our discontent or, conversely, to be content without also being discontent with something. They are like up and down, back and front, left and right which display magnitudes and juxtapositions rather than metaphysical limitations. Hence, the reason we are not all enlightened beings or completely lost in our own little worlds of desire.

    You can cultivate contentment, but never quite eliminate desires and vice versa because it is not so much an issue of cravings as it is one of authenticity and personal integrity. When we no longer make distinctions between who we are and what we are doing we become poetry in motion no longer making distinctions between what we want and what we are content with.
     
  2. Ajay0

    Ajay0 Guest

    There are plenty who are caught in their mental worlds of desires and cravings, and this is what is extracting a huge toll on the planet's natural resources, and consequently wildlife as well. It is estimated that by 2020, more than 70 per cent of wildlife will be eliminated. This is bound to elicit a huge reaction from nature to bring about equilibrium, with disastrous consequences for humans.

    Hence the need to rectify or correct our present concepts of happiness which we wrongly identify with expensive sense-objects or sense-pleasures that put great pressure on the limited natural resources of the world.
     
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  3. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    Either they are trapped, in which case there is nothing you can do for them, or they are not trapped and you can help them. Of course, with the largest manufactured export of the wealthiest country in the world being weapons and the world ecology rapidly going down the toilet, I for one, prefer to believe we can help them. Not by spouting meaningless mystical metaphysical mumbo jumbo or merely waxing philosophical or spiritual, but by writing the book that can never be written bridging logic and emotion, physics and the human mind.

    Nature is not about establishing equilibrium or balance, but promoting harmony and poetry in motion and the turning point for humanity is coming in the very near future with the introduction of a Theory of Everything. Whenever harmony is lost, balance will be restored ensuring harmony can be regained.
     
  4. Ajay0

    Ajay0 Guest

    Are super-hurricanes or typhoons, rising global temperatures, droughts and lightnings which are reaching the earth, harmonious and poetic !

    Would nature be patient enough to wait, till your book explaining the 'Theory of everything' changes all of humanity for the better ! I am not sure but I admire your optimism though. :smoke out:


    Yes, but the way balance will be restored need not be a very pretty sight.
     
  5. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    You can pretend to defy nature and your own truth with your dying breath, but you'll never really convince yourself, much less, anyone else. I am mother nature and father truth as are all of humanity and childhood's end is upon us once again. We will rise to the occasion and new horizons will open up for all of humanity.
     
  6. Ajay0

    Ajay0 Guest

    The wise man is he who is intensely active in the midst of intense peace and intensely peaceful in the midst of intense action. - Krishna.

    When you are one with the Tao, all horizons open up. All opposites get halanced harmoniously. But the lower illusory self has to die for that to happen at the individual and collective level.

    And then, action and non-action becomes harmonious and flawless.
     
  7. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    So much romantic civilized mystical Taoist bullshit. The way and the road less traveled is like a toddler making their "Mad Dash for the Potty!" Whether the toddler is running to the potty out of excitement or guilt doesn't matter in the end simply because by running back and forth they collect the pieces to the puzzle of their conundrum and, often just by luck, happen to arrive at the potty at the right time to assemble them into a greater whole. Nature and the truth itself are self-assembling, self-organizing, as much as anything else. Humanity has always been attempting to make more sense out of life and what we are about to receive are the keys to creating heaven on earth. That will, no doubt, require at least thousands of years to achieve but, none can deny its a worthwhile goal.
     
  8. Ajay0

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    That obviously is a worthwhile goal, no doubt about it. :rockon:


    Have faith in the tao, and tao will light the path ahead. All opposites must be reconciled though for harmony to be achieved. :23:
     
  9. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    The paradox of our existence ensures we are all spirits in the material world where it is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness. Without faith in our own memories, awareness, and personal integrity our own poetry in motion suffers in the bedroom as much as anywhere else!
     
  10. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake Hip Forums Supporter

    The problem is that if you post about a particular person, you're often going to encounter reactions here from people who have a different or even opposite view. If you hold someone up as an example, and another thinks they're not such a great example - well, that's forums.


    If a person who owns over 300 luxury cars tells you that true happiness comes from within, it's almost certainly going to raise a few eyebrows.
     
  11. Ajay0

    Ajay0 Guest

    Yes, as said before, if you wish to discuss Osho's wealth or even the Pope's , do it on an another thread. Do not deviate from the theme set in the op.
     
  12. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake Hip Forums Supporter

    Is it deviation though? It's certainly related. There's the old saying of 'practice what you preach'. To me it appears that Osho didn't do that, but used rationalizations to justify indulgence on a mega scale.

    The Pope doesn't personally own the wealth of the Catholic Church BTW.
     
  13. Ajay0

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    You can go through Osho's book, 'Awareness : The key to living in balance'. He explains the reasons for his methods.

    Abstinence is great in a pre-industrial world, but in the modern industrialised world where food, and primary human needs are available in plenty, with plenty of wealth compared to the past, along with changes in fashion that stresses more on baring the body, along with cheap and easily available pornography, the human mind is obsessed with sex. Sex scandals were common even for the monks and clergy in the past as well. I have read of a pope who had many illegitimate children. This is the era of short skirts, miniskirts and tank tops.

    Osho felt that for such a mind, also stressed out greatly due to the tensions and strains of the modern world, could relax by shedding inhibitions, along with conditionings that could bring guilt and repressions which actually make the mind more unconscious.

    Hence his teachings on indulgence and gibberish so as to express completely the hidden tensions and feelings within the mind and purge it out .

    He had also advocated the method of meditative awareness in the beginning itself for those who do not have a highly conflict ridden mind.

    But the basic philosophy of tantra or yoga remains the same, that is of the inevitability of gaining happiness of a permanent nature from sense-objects. Indulgence in them will also bring out this truth and the more sensitive and intelligent one is , the more this truth will be evident to him or her.
     
  14. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake Hip Forums Supporter

    In most instances though indulgence is just that. It doesn't lead to anything but more indulgence. The majority are neither sensitive or particularly intelligent, and seeing things like a guru with 365 rollers is very easily taken as yet another sign that you've only really made if you have a lot of money.

    There are millions of books out there, and their authors make many claims. However, some who seek to teach others prefer to lead by example rather than reliance on words.

    If we're going to avoid disaster, people will have to be prepared to make sacrifices, not simply indulge their illusions. The notion that we can turn around the looming environmental disaster and still continue with the consumer type culture as it exists now is a nonsense as far as I can see. There will be no place for even a single Rolls Royce in the future, assuming we have a future, which is an open question.
    There simply isn't time to wait for everyone to wake up through whatever method. People will have to be re-conditioned, just as they are conditioned now by consumerism, TV, and dinosaur politics. If those who claim to have the answers simply repeat the old formula of 'look at me. I've got a big car' (or 365 of them even) it really sends the wrong message.

    That's my view on it anyway. Probably in a thread about how true happiness comes from within, Osho is not a very good example.
     
  15. Ajay0

    Ajay0 Guest

    He claimed to be enlightened and blissed, happy with his life whether as a rebellious student, or as an articulate professor not ready to take any nonsense from unruly students wielding weapons and gang power in universities, or later as an orator or author or spiritual master .

    So that brings up the question on whether you are blissed and happy with your life, and consider your life a very good example to emulate !
     
  16. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake Hip Forums Supporter

    I'm quite happy. Although I do have problems, mainly on the health front, I am grateful for the many blessings in my life.The many pressing problems that afflict humanity in general are the main source of concern. I can't say I'm an example to others because I don't set myself up to teach anyone, or really to exert an influence.I suppose I've had an influence on a few people - my daughter for instance, one or two friends
    .People have to find their own paths. I'm not a person who says 'look I'm enlightened' or anything like that.I certainly don't see myself as any kind of guru. One has a certain level of experience,knowledge etc and I try to let that be my guide.

    I try to do what I can in whatever small ways I can.

    How about you?
     
  17. Ajay0

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    Good for you, and I hope you said this honestly. I understand that you had a problem with alcoholism in youth, and may have cleared it out of your system now.

    I am content with life due to my experiential conviction that pure consciousness pervades all of existence at the most fundamental or basic level, and pure consciousness is pure love itself.


    Hence an inner contentment.
     
  18. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake Hip Forums Supporter

    Why would I be dishonest? What possible gain for me could there be? And why would you think I might falsify things?

    Although we may not agree about particular gurus,the value of art, or probably many other matters, I suspect we may have more in common than might appear.
     

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