Rationalizing Inconsistancies

They call it faith. I say faith is blindness.

 

Yeah and if a student tells a teacher that 2+2=5 and the teacher tells the student that he has misunderstood, the teacher must be rationalizing because obviously there can’t be any correct answer.

Tell me can a crossword puzzle have more than one correct solution? Can a jigsaw puzzle have more than one correct solution?

Then why couldn't God, who created the universe and everything in it, even giving to mankind the ability for language and has wisdom beyond human wisdom, create a message for mankind that only has one interpretation?

If the Bible is what it says it is, God’s important message for mankind, then why would God leave that message open for any and all interpretations to be correct?

 

God should have just proven God was God by putting the instructions for building the light bulb in the Bible.

 

false equivalence: you cannot compare the bible to math. math does not need interpretation, it can only be interpreted one way, the right way.

thats a good question, and one ive been asking for a while, why would god leave his word open to interpretation?? thats just inviting people to change what he meant. i think if god wanted to spread one message, he should have written that one message down himself. the way christianity is right now, its completely open to anyone's interpretation, with no authority. i mean who is the real authority on what god is trying to convey in the bible??

god got alot of things wrong in the bible, plain as day. for an example, just take genesis. it does not match up with cosmological evidence.

your gonna say but a day for god isnt a day for humans, to which i will point you to this thread where that argument was debunked into space:

http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/464224-atheists-left-speechless-on-a-question-on-evolution/page-2#entry7684462

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but if your a reasonable person you know that the "science" in the bible does not match up to the "science" of today. you must accept this, or keep on "rationalizing" endlessly.

one way to rationalize this is just admit that the bible is not to be taken literally.

 

btw, each argument which you present logical fallacies just works against you because people who think rationally will look at your logic and go "wow this guy is trying to say that the bible is like 2+2" and those kind of arguments just hurt christianity as a whole and will repel rational thinking people.

 

ok so we agree the bible was written by humans. got it.

ok so your telling me theres much evidence that god exists, he created the universe, and then he chose some people to write a book, and he possessed those people somehow in order to do it?

ok olderwater, we may not agree on alot of things, but you have to at least agree that this statement is pretty extraordinary, to say the least.

lets see that evidence then, since theres "much" of it.

yes, true, i agree with you.

it does clear up alot of mysteries in history. this is all true, but it does nothing to prove:

1)existence of god.
2)god created the universe
3)jesus was the son of this god
4)god possessed some human beings to write the bible

i could site some examples from other websites, but don't really feel like pretending im a biblical scholar cuz im not.

 

Likewise the Bible can be only interpreted one way, the right way.

God is the authority.

As I pointed out the Bible is a little like a crossword puzzle you can figure it out if you want to take the time and effort and there is only one correct answer. You can fill in any answer or interpretation you want, no one will stop you but sooner or later you’re going to stop and say this doesn’t fit.

Now you have several options, you can stop and say this a stupid erroneous puzzle with no reasonable answer and call anyone still working on the answer unreasonable, you can be happy with what you have solved so far and say this is the answer tell others there is no need to go any farther or you can continue to solve the problem and day after day getting to know God and yourself better and better.

In your cited proof thread, it was interesting that it posted this;
1:5 And ´Élöhîm אֱלֹהִים 430 called 7121 z8799 the light 216 Day, 3117 and the darkness 2822 he called 7121 z8804 Night. 3915 And the evening 6153 and the morning 1242 were x1961 the first 259 day. 3117
Which just shows "yom" has been translated as "day" but if you will notice, after each time the word "day" appears the number 3117 follows and that is a Strong's Concordance number so hebrew word and it's meaning can be looked up. Doing so you get:
3117 yowm yome from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverb):--age, + always, + chronicals, continually(-ance), daily, ((birth-), each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever(-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (... live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year(-ly), + younger.
Which shows that 3117, depending on context, can mean any number of things, the poster says that because it uses the phrase "and the evening and the morning" it must mean a 24 hour day but is there other evidence on the possible length of that day? Interestingly the seventh "day" of rest is spoken of as still continuing at the time the 4th chapter of Hebrews was written and would indicate a creative "day" as lasting at least 4000 years and seems it is still continuing until our time, making it at least 6000 years long. So does it make sense that the first 6 "days" were 24 hour days and the 7th "day" was over 6000 years long?

If it does not it is only because the "science" of today has not caught up with the science in the Bible.

I never said that the entire Bible is to be taken literally but it is fairly easy to tell which is which because the Bible generally just tells you.

 

Doesn't square with the fact that it is interpreted many different ways. the level of discourse on the subject is proof.

 

Stigmata appear on living persons. (in Christian tradition) marks corresponding to those left on Jesus’ body by the Crucifixion, said to have been impressed by divine favor on the bodies of St. Francis of Assisi and others. Jesus suffered wounds, he did not develop stigmata. Why should I get a divine favor checked out? I am not wounded only marked.

 

I was running in the mountains one time and tripped on a rock. I put my hands out to stop my fall and both palms met granite rocks on the ground. They both started bleeding from the same place right in the center of the palm by the wrist. That was interesting.

 

No we don't agree. If a business executive tells a secretary to type and send a letter a letter for him, who wrote the letter?

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God.
His invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship.

For me, no one had to point God out to me, I have always seen him. To be asked, prove God to me is like being asked, show me the sky, it is so hard to do because to me it seems so obvious. Can't you just look and see it? I turn and see a majestic sunset and see God's hand not just in the sunset but also in the fact that I have the ability to appreciate it and art and music, none of which seem to have any real meaning or advantage in "natural selection". I realize that this is probably all meaningless babble to you and you or someone else will probably ridicule me for saying this but this is the reason I have always believed in God.

When a prosecutor presents his case does he present one piece of evidence and say that proves it or does he present piece after piece building one on the other until together the total amount of evidence proves the case. Archeology is only one piece of the evidence and does not by itself prove the Bible is the word of God but taken as just piece of a wall of evidence, it becomes another brick in the wall.

Thanx, appreciate that but to me we are just talking and if you had wanted to pretend you were a Bible scholar it wouldn't have been anything new to me.

 

Try reading all of what is said.

 

But not on Jesus, if you are following him in this matter you should have died.

 

I'll bet it was, did you consider it a sign of "divine favor"?

 

To OWB: Nope, I just thought it was kind of cool to see my hands in a way that maybe Jesus saw his.

BTW my ability to quote hasn't been working for months if anyone has been wondering why I always say "To:" instead of just quoting.

 

I never figured out how to do that quote thing either.

 

^^^ There's a quote tab at the bottom right of the screen. It hasn't been working for me ever since the website was redone.

 

You obviously don't know what stigmata are cause your reasoning is retarded. Jesus did not have stigmata but wounds. What matter would I be following him in? Possibly a physical transformation. It is an identifying mark.

 

Should talk to administrator about that. Should be a quote bar at the lower right hand corner of every post.

 

Been over it already.