Politics: Are the right becoming irrelevant?

Trud

No you haven’t, but I’ll play along – show use where these supposed answers are?

 

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And your evidence for this is what?

I mean for the r could mention the astroturfed and unhinged Tea Party movement that did so much to pull the Republican Party to the right.

Who are these fighters that are been repelled?

And with Trump in the white house what is your evidence that it’s the ‘left’ that is ‘batshit crazy’

 

Bilby

There are many types of libertarian going right through the spectrum from left to right – from my experience most people that call themselves libertarians in the US are of the right wing persuasion – Right Wing Libertarians, and there are subset within that from the hard-line Social Darwinist Free market fundamentalists to softer versions of that for example been acceptable to minimum forms of welfare and healthcare.

You say you are a ‘libertarian and egalitarian’ so it’s hard to know you position. I’d be interested to know what were the seven issues you mention.

I’d also point out that the Institute of Public Affairs is a right wing think tank pushing the usual neoliberal agenda, tax cuts, privatisation, deregulation and even climate change denial all things that favour wealth to the detriment of everyone else. It is funded to a large extent by large mining, oil and tobacco companies.

 

You're like a blind man declaring he can't see.

 

Yes, tax as little as possible, keep government services and regulation minimal and no more intrusive than absolutely necessary to avoid infringement on others' rights, don't be reacting to any kind of alarmists but rely solely on solid evidence, leave charity to religious and civil institutions, stop protecting the people from their own selves, leave people to their lives, liberty, and their pursuits of happiness as the precepts the country was founded on.

 

I like the left, they make me chuckle, still living in the past and trying to look like Lenin

 

Trud

Well if I was blind I wouldn’t be able to see but I can and I can’t see your supposed answers and I’m sure I’m not the only one that’s noticed you can’t produce them either.

Why are you sending more effort in lying about answering than just simply answering the questions?

 

Trud

Sorry these come across as slogans not thought through propositions they raise more questions that answers.

How little would you say was possible? I mean what do you mean by ‘possible’?

Who do you think gains most from tax cuts?

What services?

What regulations?

What does that mean can you explain?

But you have already said you ignore people that tell you to do things if you don’t want to them seemingly whatever the evidence.

What do you mean?

What does that mean?

To repeat a question you still not answered - The society and governance set up by the founding fathers allowed for slavery and only around 10% of the population could vote so it was basically slave owning oligarchy - is that what you’d want?

 

Rehab

We have been through that in the Socialism thread before you ran away– were you not reading the posts?

Socialism Is The Future

The thing is that the majority of left wingers have moved on, embracing good ideas and rejecting others as they went. I think the left wingers, the socialists, mutualists and anarchists of 1800’s would not recognise todays left wing thinking.

Many of the rights ideas are from the 18th and 19th century but the thing is that a 18th century supporter of laissez-faire economics would find modern day neoliberalism very familiar. As to Social Darwinist ideas still held my many on the right these have been heavily (if no fatally) criticised as pseudoscientific junk.

I mean you only have to look at the plethora of ideas coming from the left for dealing with the pressing problems of the 21st century compared to the paucity coming from the right.

It’s not that they have little or no solutions - and what they have seem designed to make bad situations worse - it’s that many of them don’t even seem to be wanting to find any solutions.

So all the right seem to have these days is hollow sloganizing and attacks.

Think about it into relation to this forum when was the last time a right winger presented a thought through solution to any problem?

 

Damn you do make me chuckle, I see you now ...manning the barricades, waving your red flag and encouraging the proletariat to attack Macdonalds

 

Rehab

LOL What the fuck are you on about – have you got anything of any substance to say or are you just going to troll?

 

Oh my...a sense of humour failure, the expletive wasn’t necessary, you teenagers are so sensitive when us grownups question your mantra, socialism is a failed ideology,, take a look around son, the world with a few exceptions Is capitalist . ...and yes I know..I will be first against the wall come tge revolution

 

Rehab

LOL again did you honestly not read the posts in the socialist thread?

And thank you for seeing me as young at heart and still open minded rather than the kind of arrogant close minded individuals that calls people ‘son’ LOL

As I’ve already said before -

Socialism and socialist have put forward ideas and suggestions for creating a better society there were revolutionary and violent socialist that wanted to impose such ideas but many other lefties that took note of them and adapted them and pushed for them to one degree and another in a democratic and free societies.

For example if you look at the 10 ideas put forward in Marx and Engels Communist Manifesto many adaptations have been adopted in many countries around the world (including the US) but are not thought these days to be socialist or communist. Such things as progressive taxation and publically funded education, forms of inheritance tax and the regulation of banking and markets and even nationlisations are common now and accepted as normal.


Basically capitalism failed and needed reforming and many of the policies that reformed society came from socialist ideas.


It seems to me that the political history of the 20th century (in the industrialised nations) has been to one degree or another about the curtailment of the adverse effects of 19th century exploitative capitalism (some call classical liberalism).

People in many nations fought for voting rights, social benefits, safer working conditions, progressive taxation, and decent living wages. The result of that movement was that the economic benefits of production were much more distributed. Many people saw their wages grow and in the period between the end of WWII and 1970 many in Europe and the US gain middle class status.

But from the 70’s onward a new idea was promoted in some of these nations (often referred to as neo-liberalism) it was in many ways opposed to the ‘distributive’ system that had developed. One thing it promoted was economic globalisation, which basically allowed back some aspects of exploitative capitalism by promoting the moving of production to nations that had not developed the more distributive systems away from those nations that had.

In this way the long fought for distributive system has been undermined in those places where it had developed. Neo-liberals argue that to ‘compete’ in the global market the elements of the distributive system need to be dismantled what is needed they say is deregulation, the cutting of welfare, tax cuts that benefit the rich, lower wages, weak government oversight etc etc.

 

You do go on don't you ? Haranguing the masses seems to part of the socialist DNA, not that many people listen

 

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