Socialism Is The Future

What are you trying to "incite" with your vision? A riot? The weather underground.org does a pretty good job of forecasting whether is will be sunny or stormy. The political group by that name hasn't been around since the 1970s. Trump seems to be the one who thinks Russia has it right--at all times, and not to be questioned.

 

Insight, sorry. Incite destruction is what blm is doing and I don’t like it. Create a racial divide the left is banking upon, and I don’t like it. All to win, I see no winning in it. Do you?

P.s. I don’t care if you make fun of obvious misspellings. Good troll tactics that that are old and tired. Over used and ineffective. You knew exactly whaT I meant but played stupid, and didn’t do it well.

 

Beach

Then what is it?

Which history are you talking about?

 

The "right" (which also doesn't exist as an entity) seems to be headed in the same direction with the boogaloo movement, even in your own country.
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Why don't you say anything about them?

 

Is there any country where socialism actually works?

 

So what’s next, trot out the Trotskyites? It’s an old oppressive capitalist trick to demonize anyone with a social conscience with absurd terms from the past. I venture most of the protesters in our town wouldn’t recognize a “Leninist” if they saw him....they just believe that there’s centuries of racial and economic injustice we need stop..Now. Trump and has intellectually challenged supporters use those terms to push an extreme agenda that will not be good for you or me or any of the other 99% of us.

 

Rehab

What does socialism mean to you?

I’ve heard people call some countries socialist, because they have generous welfare system or because they have nationalised semi-nationalised industries. I’ve had people tell me that the UK is ‘socialist’ because it has the National Health Service.

Thing is that social elements and policies have become incorporated into many states most are developments and adaptions from socialist ideas. Socialised healthcare, socialised welfare, socialised education, regulated markets, workers’ rights etc

To often people think in too black and white terms – here is capitalism and its all the same and here is Socialism and it the complete opposite and its all the same. But reality is seldom like that its usually a mix up, people pick and choose a bit from here a bit from there.

 

The only countries that I am aware of that have adopted Socialism are nieccontrolled by repressive regimes.

 

rehab

There have plenty of places that the US has hailed as been anti-communists and capitalist that have been bloody handed authoritarian regimes and dictatorships.

As i've told you its not black and white

 

Maybe so, but if Socialism is the panacea for all of the worlds ills then why has it not been universally adopted?
Socialism is repressive. You say it’s not all black and white, it seems to be that it is, you either live in a country that is free or you don’t.

 

Rehab

To repeat - Thing is that social elements and policies have become incorporated into many states most are developments and adaptions from socialist ideas. Socialised healthcare, socialised welfare, socialised education, regulated markets, workers’ rights etc

It seems to me that your only definition of ‘socialism’ is that it is repressive to you it’s simple black or white you either live in a country that is free or you don’t.

But to repeat - there have plenty of places that the US has hailed as been anti-communists and capitalist that have been bloody handed authoritarian regimes and dictatorships.

I’ve heard Americans call some countries socialist that have higher scores on the right wing Cato Institute’s freedom index than the US. I’ve had people tell me that until the UK got rid of the ‘socialist’ NHS then it wouldn’t be a ‘free’ country.

 

Thing is if someone has been subject to years of anti-Socialist anti-leftist propaganda then it can be very hard to think straight. I always find it funny that those on the right that show clear signs of been brainwashed to the point that they don’t question the ideas that have been spoon feed to them are the ones that are most likely to say that lefties don’t have open minds.

The thing is that the majority of the people on the left do research and think out the heritage of their views and understand the benefits and drawbacks of such things a Socialism, Communism, Marxism etc. Ideas should move on and adapt as criticisms are made and fault discovered as well as adapting to today’s issues and problems.

Also Socialism didn’t begin with Marx he was just a champion of a particular type of socialism and then it has to be remembered that socialism was a branch of anarchist thinking. In fact most people forget that Marx’s communism was meant to be a stepping stone to Anarchy as under communism the state and old ideas of governance were meant to ‘wither away’.

The thing is that the majority of left wingers have moved on, embracing good ideas and rejecting others as they went. I think the left wingers, the socialists, mutualists and anarchists of 1800’s would not recognise todays left wing thinking.

Many of the rights ideas are from the 18th and 19th century but the thing is that a 18th century supporter of laissez-faire economics would find modern day neoliberalism very familiar. As to Social Darwinist ideas still held my many on the right these have been heavily (if no fatally) criticised as pseudoscientific junk.

I mean you only have to look at the plethora of ideas coming from the left for dealing with the pressing problems of the 21st century compared to the paucity coming from the right.

It’s not that they have little or no solutions - and what they have seem designed to make bad situations worse - it’s that many of them don’t even seem to be wanting to find any solutions.

So all the right seem to have these days is hollow sloganizing and attacks.

Think about it into relation to this forum when was the last time a right winger presented a thought through solution to any problem?

 

I gather you are a socialist then?

 

rehab

As I’ve tried to explain its not black and white, some people tell me I’m not a socialist and other have told me I am.

You would have to explain how you would define socialist – so far you have said Socialism is repressive – well I’m opposed to repression so by that definition in your view I’m not a socialist

But as I say others may disagree with you because they see things diffrently to you.

 

Talking about socialism or stating you are a socialist is easy, living in a socialist society, having a socialist government is a different ball game...your ‘true’ socialism is a pipe dream. You live in the US I gather, you have never had or likely to have a socialist government.

 

rehab

Sorry I thought i'd made it plain i live in the UK with the talk about the NHS.

And again how would you define socialism and socialist?

 

Sorry, my statement was rwong. It is a political system, as well as economic.

 

I think I will leave it there.

 

Really?

 

No, my mistake.