Is it time to talk about guns?

Firearm Violence Prevention |Violence Prevention|Injury Center|CDC.

 

This is interesting, fellas. 85%! That's not great...

 

56% of Republicans believe that the use of political violence is necessary and acceptable.
22% Democrats and 35% of Independents agree.
After the ballots are counted: Conspiracies, political violence, and American exceptionalism

 

Piobaire

 

I'm not going to read all 28 pages of this, but what is the goal here? What outcome are people wanting here? All guns in every single home taken away? And to what point? To try and obtain a utopian society? To make people live they way you think they should live?

I/we have guns (yes, more than one) in my home and we use them to hunt, harvest and help feed the family. People (not all) who live in the concrete jungle (a.k.a. big cities) do not get, understand or appreciate this one iota. Their food comes from a store, or a backyard garden, or some farm they've never seen or visited and that's about all they know. We get food from the stores too, but much of what we eat comes from our ability, knowledge and skill to hunt and kill game (or catch, kill and eat fish). PETA hates people like me I'm sure. Lol

I'm not a fan of people having fully automated rifles with mega clips. I don't think they are necessary in civilian hands. But it's not my place to determine what a person can or cannot buy. How they live their life is not my business as long as they live within the laws of the land. Who am I to tell you how to live your life? Should I tell you what you can and cannot have in your home?

My guns are used to help feed my family. I'm not letting anybody take that from me. If for whatever reason the power grid goes down for an extended period (solar flare, whatever) I and my family will have the means and ability to feed ourselves. And if it got to that point, protect ourselves as well.

What makes anybody think they know what's best for me? What gives anybody the right to determine how I live my life? Yes, we have laws and some good ones too, but the more laws we have, the less freedoms we have. Before you know it, laws are getting made to appease every group/organization. We just as well be a communist/socialist country then. Not USA, but SSA.....Socialist Society of America. I'm sure I'll get laid to waste by many here, but that's ok. I can't make everyone happy, and it's not my priority in life to try and achieve the impossible. Lol

 

Guy

Please read the proposals Post 37

Is it time to talk about guns?

It is not about banning guns it is about trying to lessen the possibility of guns falling into the hands of the criminal and irresponsible

Really not sure what you mean by this the number of laws doesn’t make a country socialist or not and just having only a limited number of laws does not guarantee a people’s freedom.

 

Shane

Any gun kept at home, place of work or in a motor vehicle would have to be held in a secure manner (eg safe or other secure locking system)....People that didn’t have an approved system would not be allowed to own a gun.

That would not be secure enough

A 2018 study found that roughly half of all gun owners store at least one of their guns without any lock or secure storage device, and a national survey of gun owners conducted in 2015 found that an estimated 4.6 million children in the United States live in homes that contain an unlocked firearm. However, this problem is exacerbated by the influx of first-time gun owners who may not have availed themselves of training programs or safe storage devices. While federal law does require licensed gun dealers to offer gun locks at the point of sale for every purchase, it places no onus on the gun owner to actually use them. Massachusetts is the only state that requires all guns to be locked when not in use, while New York, Connecticut, and California impose this requirement under certain circumstances. Twenty-seven states and Washington, D.C., have enacted “child access prevention” laws, which are designed to incentivize the safe storage of guns through the threat of civil or criminal liability should a child gain access to a gun that was not stored securely.

 

Shane

If the gun has been lost or stolen and that has not been reported that would result in a heavy fine and/or custodial sentence.

Do you want to be lawful or not?

 

All those questions are answered to one degree or another in the previous 28 pages you can't be bothered to read.
It's not incumbent upon me to repeat or paraphrase for the intellectually lazy.

 

I knew it wouldn't take long. And Piobaire wins!

 

At least I have one to be out of.

You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Attention span deficit could be the root cause? Among your demonstrated lack of exposure is the difference between the concept of a liberal and that of a leftist.

What confuses me about you is that you come across to me as somewhat humble and inquisitive, and yet every time I give you questions to go research to expand your knowledge base, you fail. Do you think that motivates me to want to continue to try to help you?

 

Why do we not have a rotflmfao icon/gif thingy here?
No,
I don't mean to make fun of you, really. It's just that you have no idea where you stand. And that's a little bit humorous when you start to come off as superior. I can't read your mind but I do sense that you mean well, and that's an admirable quality. Now if you'd open your mind and start discovering how much world there is around you, you can escape that bubble you're in and get to the point of helping to make the world a better place. A little more fatherly advice, the time you spend on here at your age is essentially wasted - at your stage of the game you should be working on developing your skill stack to get ahead in some money making endeavor. It could be something in the trades, or maybe engineering/science/architecture/economist/accountant kinda thing. Sociology - you're gonna need more than an AA to get meaningful work in that field (which seems límited to teaching). That's just a stepping stone to higher education. But don't discount trades! There's a lot of fun earning opportunities there and it's quicker to get on the job and start banking money for your future. Good luck. (Dad mode off)

 

I never assume anything.
But I'd gladly go up against you in a marksmanship contest. In the weapon category of your choice.

How many groundhogs have you shot? Deer? Turkey? Fox? Coyote? Rabbit? Squirrel? Dove?
Anything?

 

This ^^^^^

But I doubt the detractors will try to grasp it.

They've already made up their minds based on their view of life. They're too unfamiliar with rural life and most aren't willing to learn about what they're missing. Plus many are jealous that we don't need government intrusion to manage our lives

I've made similar arguments and all they're able to do is either insult me or pose a ton of unrelated questions. But thank you for adding a voice of reason to the discussion.

I'm glad we're armed. Keep up your proficiency, brother.

 

I spent many years living and working in the woods West of Iron Mtn, Michigan. I carried a gun on my job sometimes and enjoyed hunting for food. Of course that’s not what the gun issue is about. Having highly lethal assault guns and concealed weapons everywhere is a different matter and gun deaths reflect that insanity. The carnage will not end until a group of mostly male, largely rural and suburban, and largely Republican people stop spurious, stubborn marshaling conspicuous anecdotes in place of statistics and science based research. The result has been society held hostage at gun point and our freedom compromised.

The group I defined above also is prone to resorting to the myth of socialism in the absence of logic. Many people on earth live perfectly free and happy lives in socialist Nations. Socialism and communism(as it has been practiced)0 are most certainly not the same.

 

So---guns are available. You want guns --get some. You don't want guns--don't get any. As long as humans hold all the interests /feelings/ideas about all the interests/ feelings/ideas that humans can possibly have about all the interests/ feelings/ideas-----on and on it goes. I would aver that there will never be a time when all of humanity agrees on anything. The fabled in song and legend pendulum will continue its metaphorical movements.

 

The gang members in the democrat controlled wastelands called cities are procuring CC permits?? Ya gotta ask yerself how that can happen in a "gun free zone" where firearm carry is outlawed!!

(and they dare to pen 'absence of logic')

 

looks like it is time to talk about guns

Supreme Court To Take Up 1st Major Gun Rights Case In More Than A Decade : NPR
At issue in the case, NY State Rifle & Pistol Assoc. v. Corlett, is how much the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to carry concealed weapons outside their home for self-defense. The case will likely be argued in the fall.

1st-Time Gun Buyers Help Push Record U.S. Gun Sales Amid String Of Mass Shootings : NPR

These buyers are white, Black, Asian and Latino and come from all political beliefs. And they're being driven by uncertainty, fear and a need to feel safe.

 

Well here we are, like all other political debates these days we've nary a well thought out or defensible argument from either side and for the ones we did get they're best left ignored for fear of lack of intelligence being admitted. Continue on lads! Ye certainly won't be solving any of the world's problems but at least yer entertaining

 

I agree, cuz he's right. Recently I had a discussion with my MAGA buddies on this topic--on a day when there were two separate mass shootings that very day, and one a day for more than the past couple of weeks. The response? Shoulder shrugs. Kids at Sandy Hook Elementary? Crisis actors! (De Nial ain't just a river in Africa.) I don't begrudge you putting meat on the table, but this is insane. As you say, you don't need AR-15s to hunt deer, or even wild pigs. You say "How they live their life is not my business as long as they live within the laws of the land." But that's just it. They don't, and by the time the police get there, a bunch of innocent people are dead. Seems to me, background checks are sensible requirements. As for the zombie apocalypse, I'm much more afraid of the loonies currently roaming the streets with their walking arsenals.