London murder rate rises higher than NY City

And yet your numbers differed . . .

 

Interesting how this thread has morphed into another that recently died for want of new ideas--the one on After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals
What does any of this have to do with the London or New York murder rates?

 

LOL - do you or don't you have a rational argument why guns that hold more than six rounds shouldn't be banned?

 

Okie

I agree, i keep trying to pull back to London but the gun lobby are throwing the same old shit around again.

 

Here's where it all went south. A moderator should have warned him.

 

But mcme and Toggles posts became before that.

 

You complain and say that you keep trying to pull the thread back to London, yet here you are calling a response from me. You need to decide what you really want, Balbus. You give the impression that you don't know your own mind.

But in answer to your question, I don't need an argument for having a gun that holds more than six rounds because there is no rational argument against me having a gun that holds more than six rounds. The only thing I've heard is a hysterical claim from you that people only want them so that they can shoot lots more people.

 

I agree with part of your post but why would you care to not have the ability to shoot for six rounds? What might you ever need six rounds for? lol

 

And yet you were right there. So . . .

 

I'm sorry, but Balbus has indicated his displeasure at having this thread derailed even though he has participated in the derailment. And the thread in which your question can be answered has been locked. So . . .

 

What I'd like Storch to tell us is what he thinks he needs for self-defense. I agree that the six round limit is overly austere. He doesn't own an AR-15, the weapon he's expended so much time and energy defending. What guns do you think are necessary for your own protection? Are there any that could be described as overkill? Wasn't it Toggle who saw nothing wrong with using grenade launchers and howitzers for that purpose? Should we continue to take him seriously?

 

Okiefreak complains about the thread being hijacked, and now he is trying to do it himself. What I'd like Okiefreak to tell us is what his post here has to do with the London Murder Rate Rising Higher Than New York City.

 

Oh

 

Or it could be influenced by a one billion pound cut in the police budget:

Sadiq Khan slams Tory police cuts after "hearbreaking" spike in murders

The Times is a right-wing paper which supports the Tories who are in power at the moment. They'd rather blame the Labour London Mayor than the Tory Government who are making these cuts. Also general crime tends to go up when the economy is not doing well and people are getting poorer.

 

I was responding to your previous post arguing that the thread should still be in play and open to a general discussion of the gun issue. If you want to confine it to London v. New York, that's fine with me. So tell me what more there is to say on that subject. Since the premise of the thread was bogus, being based on a statistically insignificant coincidence during a two month period, tell us what your have to say on the subject. What my post had to do with was with your last post about the weapons needed for self-defense. If you agree that was off topic, let's wrap it up, because your posts are a broken record and a scratchy one at that.

 

Really? What post was that? Specifically, where did I say that a certain thread should still be in play and open for discussion? Or was that some self-serving embellishment on your part?

And you're not recalling your failure to answer questions concerning why certain rifle cosmetics that you mentioned should be banned. You said they needed to be banned, I challenged that position, and we never heard from you again. I'd like to say that you sound like a broken record, but you're not even on record.

 

I have 9 posts in this thread, all are a direct response to a previous post. If I somehow derailed this thread, I apologise.

 

Post #367. What "cosmetics" are you talking about? I think I've been pretty clear on the gun control measures I favor, including background checks, red flag provisions, and limiting availability of weapons unnecessary for hunting or self-defense---suggesting that the Maryland gun legislation upheld by the Fourth Circuit seemed reasonable, having passed the test of legislative debate and adversarial litigation. That's my reason. That obviously doesn't satisfy you, but I have no desire for endless go-arounds on the subject.

What guns do you think are necessary for your own protection? Are there any that could be described as overkill? Wasn't it Toggle who saw nothing wrong with using grenade launchers and howitzers for that purpose? Do you agree with him?

 

I've heard many pro gun people say that crime is high in London because no one has guns. So criminals have no fear. Guns are a different topic but it does kind of tie into crimes.

Do you disagree that scaring a criminal away is a big reason to have a gun? That's why you don't put the sign on your lawn saying you are armed like some people do. First it encourages the criminal to break in when you go to work. Second why should you tell them? Let them be surprised.