Zendik

I saw that too. It's kind of amusing that she seems to think she's saying something original and insightful, but instead just rambles on incoherently.

BTW--anyone ever notice Wulf and Arol's propensity to name-drop?

 

I second GreenHornet's notion to get the police involved. I do realize, however, that those who were subject to thier torments might be thinking, what if they send out one of thier pseudo-eco warriors to hunt me down... frankly, I'd be fearful of the same unless I knew that they could'nt track me. I mean, hell, if they would do things like that, what the hell would'nt they do. On the other side of the coin, I don't know what there is to protect more innocent people from going there.

ps- ever notice how they (the "zendik elite") start thier sentances with "okay", I noticed that was the first word in Arols voting thing and then in the old audio and video clips, they would over/mis use the word "okay".(weird!)

pps - I'd like to introduce the term "poppin fresh" to you all. It's what we call those big new developments, that often contain SUV gas whores, where the houses tend to look mostly all the same (often brick, vinyl siding, or god forbid.. both, yuck) even if they go for 400k each, and the landscaping is all done by the same company. It's one of the things that angers me most about this world we live in.

 

jonp, you're a kind and intelligent person and what they did to you was unspeakably cruel. I wanted to help you, too. A million regrets.


I'd been wondering how to describe the "therapy". They began the practice during my stay. Anybody know if they still do this?

The Zendik therapy was "inspired" by Gestalt methods, which are dangerous even in the hands of trained therapists. The point of this torture (for Zendik) was to produce something like a nervous breakdown, in which the victim would confess their "true" feelings. We all know how much truth comes out of abusive interrogations and "moderate pressure" techniques...
Link below for a brief description of Gestalt:
http://www.ehendrick.org/healthy/000579.htm

I had just one session-- I volunteered for it, actually nagged them for it, because I wanted to show that I was committed to the group. Mostly they gave the "therapy" to men, because men tend to appear less emotionally unstable than women, and people who were in control of their own emotions were suspect. And they accused ME of cynicism!


Yep, a lawyer would be able to help. Police probably not (unless you can give them information on a specific crime that is currently being perpetrated). All that is needed is one brave ex-Zendik with resources and a "case"-- or one current Zendik who isn't too brainwashed to document abuse and blow the whistle.


And yes, Arol's thoughtless rant is alarmingly cynical. Don't vote for Nader because he'll just get shot?? Even for Nader criticisms, that's really, really cynical. "Don't vote and be the cause of a revolution", she says. If low voter turnout was going to cause a revolution, we would have had one in the 1980s.

 

I've been thinking about the whole "living therapy" thing. While I doubt the Zendiks dragged anyone into those sessions against their will, they, like many cultish groups use fear and a form of mind control to warp the victim's perspective into thinking that any action taken in the name of the group, no matter how painful & huminiating is necessary. So what they're doing probably isn't technically against the law (although they might be skating on thin ice) but is still abusive. Like the Russian communists, they use exile as their main threat, which is a real concern for people who may have no money and believe there's nothing "out there" to go back to. So it's really the classic mind control thing. Again, for anyone reading this forum because they're thinking of going to Zendik, Don't Go! If you want to live at an intentinal community there are many democratic and benign places to choose from. There's a wonderful list which comes up first if you type "intentional communities" into the Google seach engine. But reaseach anyplace thoroughly before you go! So as to avoid participating in any sort of Zendik style "living therapy."


On another note: My latest email to Zendik regarding Arol's rants about voting: hope they don't 'hunt me down!'

"Arol:



If Bush wins, stacks the Supreme court with Neo-cons, cheats his way into dominating the Congress and possibly amends the Constitution, and the Christian Right sent troops to garrison your Farm, then you’d have a different view of this election.



It’s nice to pretend you’re in some kind of dream world, but this election is not politics as usual, because of Bush’s possible effect on the Supreme Court this election could alter everything.



In the early 1930s, many people thought that Hitler “was just another politician.” Imagine how those who didn’t vote in 1933 felt a few years later. Were these non-voters promoting a democratic revolution by sitting on their asses while the Nazis garnered enough votes to work their way into power? "

So that was my little letter. don't know why I bothered sending it as no opinions, no matter how sincere, would ever influence them.

 

From trancenet.org's excellent FAQ:


Isn't joining a cult a choice?

Some of the initial steps of joining a cult may, indeed, appear to be individual choices.

But the deck is stacked. In nearly every case, the cult or the recruiter is withholding important information from you. Information, that had you but known, would have sent you screaming in the other direction.

In U.S. law, the tactics that cults use are known as undue influence. The best-known example is the nurse who influences an elderly patient to make her a beneficiary of their will. Something similar is alleged to take place in a cult.

In 1988's Molko & Leal v. Holy Spirit Association , the California Supreme Court upheld the theory of "mind control" in the deceptive recruiting practices of the Unification Church, saying:

• We use the terms "coercive persuasion," "mind control," and "brainwashing" interchangeably to refer to the intense indoctrination procedures discussed . . . . We conclude, therefore, that although liability for deceptive recruitment practices imposes a marginal burden on the Church's free exercise of religion, the burden is justified by the compelling state interest in protecting individuals and families from the substantial threat to public safety, peace and order posed by the fraudulent induction of unconsenting individuals into an atmosphere of coercive persuasion.
  
  

 

man its pretty hard to imagen that these people at zendik would ever do anything as far as some of the things ive seen written here man,i dont beleive its like that,in the time ive spent with a few of them i was shown the upmost respect by them,for me and my belongings ya know.it was allmost to the point where i was pushin em to feel more freearound my house and treat everything like it was there own,i told them all"if its there use it"and they didnt touch anything of mine man which shows me they aint trying to drag me off into the street and give me electrice shock nothing man,i aint a zendik by no means,ive got to many vices to live as they are but i cant bad mouth people who has not shown me a reason too,thats why im voting arol for president.(j/k)
just trying to get along with the people,no matters what they do or what they are about man.the zendiks are cool cause thats how they want to live and as well its not for others,oh well,get over it allready,this turned out to be a long funkin forum
peace

 

Free, maybe that's because they were on your territory and you not on theirs?Have you lived on the farm? Telling people to get over it already when you haven't been what they have been through isn't nice.You say you can't believe what they are saying,but everyone I have talked to or read about their time on zendik all have the same type of stories.The people I know offline, theirs are almost the same as the people's stories in these posts,and they don't know each other.When you have a friend that was there and starts shaking and crying when they spot someone from zendik in a crowd outside of the farm, well that tells me right there something is wrong about that place.....peace

 

Okay, Free obviously has never lived with the Zendiks on their turf. Of course, the people who live there aren't devils! They're just people who can be very nice and have many well-meaning ideas. But, Free, bare in mind that some of the Zendiks you've had as guests in your house may very well have left the place by now and currently share the feelings and expirences of the people on this forum. So, once a Zendik not always a Zendik. It's not the individuals who live there, but the cult aspect and how those individuals are being treated that's the problem.


Okay, Unless the experiences people have told about on this forum are lies, and I can vouch that most of what has been said is not, then we aren't "bad mouthing" anybody. The truth is the truth. Of course people put a spin on what happened to them on the Farm, but if the Zendiks were painting houses with motor oil, trying to control people's sexuallity, trying to guilt and browbeat them into submission and verbally abusing people at meetings (all of which I saw except the motor oil) then they are doing it, and to point this out isn't some kind of bummer. If the people who're supposed to be against Capitalism and trying to save the earth sell off their pristine land to the highest bidder to have it developed into more urban sprawl or "poppin fresh," then that's a fact. You don't have to be gullible and oblivious to be open minded. Facts can speak for themselves. Wake up and take a look at the world!

Okay, and Arol for President? I'd love to see that: black beans, goat milk, living therapy & hump houses for all!

Okay, y'all get it?

 

Okay, Greenhornet, you see, you're making me laugh, okay? You see, I'm laughing so hard, okay, that my goat milk ration, you see, is spraying out my nose, okay?

 

Oh, My!!!!!
How this thread has evolved......
Ok.....
I bet I can get them banned from New Orleans, shouldn't be all that hard. As for their new hideout.... We all know they allow sex with minors probally not so much now but I'm sure the "Elites" can do what they want. So..... A little call to their new police department should add to their discomfort, consider this done....
I have some other buddies who will be interested in their graphics of assualt weapons on their site, you know Homeland Security and all.....
I sent the zenheads a link to this thread a long time ago without reply but I am sure they are reading it but enough talk how about some action..... They Ordered it lets send it to them.....

 

they r reading this forum ......if u r emotionally stable and are able to take a deep breath and choose your behaviors in any situation u r definitely suspect at the farm and are thought of as hiding something, they'll grill u till u give over or leave. if u give over, prepare for mind fucks galore, a sorry state of affairs.....from the roota to the toota.

 

amaze, you hit the nail on the head. And something I've just realized is that, since abuse at Zendik was always done in groups, every former Zendik witnessed the abuse of dozens of others. The cruel "therapy" sessions jonp spoke of were carried out by at least two core members, with lesser-ranked Zendiks "helping"-- taking notes, driving the truck, holding the rope. It can be proven.


And speaking of trucks..

I'm working on that Zendik sex thing, but before I can describe their fascistic "dating" system, I've got to expain the mandatory Zendik birth control method: the "spec check". I really don't know where to start.

Anybody NOT know what a speculum is?


Remember to keep it elevated!

 

It may be necessary to find recent witnesses of Zendik abuses so-called "living therapy," etc. due to possible statutes of limitations on criminal cases, although this may not apply to a civil suit initiated by a group of ex Zendiks (but a legal concept called "latches" could apply in a civil case without some testimony from the last few years). I hear Zendik just had a financial windfall with the subdivision of their North Carolina land which might provide a good remedy for the plaintiffs, so anyone out there have some good testimony?

Personally, my stay there was short enough, and my commitment to Zendik tenous enough that I suffered no abuses, myself, but if there are more of you out there who got towed on the end of a rope or given electrical shocks or exposed to toxic waste, etc. you might have a chance to tell your stories in a public venue.

However, after thinking more on this issue, I doubt that a lawsuit is the right thing to do unless there is some recent outragous horror. Pehaps we Americans are too eager to go to court. I think the main thing to do is to warn people who want to go to Zendik what it's really like there so they're making an informed choice.

 

what's a speculum?

 

I don't know what a "speculum" is, either. During my stay at Zendik they'd call all the "girls" in for what they called a "box check." I was afraid to ask what, exactly that was, but know it was related to some odd attempt at birth control. The Zendiks believe that condoms are evil. I never got a good explanation as to why they believe this.

 

Uhm.... wow. I haven't looked in this thread for some time, but it certainly has evolved. I had only heard good things on various websites in the past until I stumbled upon this one.

Further reading:

http://www.elementalmuzik.cjb.net/
http://www.metropulse.com/dir_zine/dir_2001/1122/t_gamut.html
http://www.geocities.com/theangryearth/collective.html

I think it's important to hear all sides and make one's choices based upon a sound evaluation. Evidently many of those who left have negative things to say about the group; those who are still members sing its praises. My contact with the Zedniks has been positive while others claim their contacts have been less so.

Lots of food for thought.

 

The Zendiks I knew (myself included) were relentlessly promiscuous (among themselves-- sex mit auslander ist verboten) and did not practice "safe" sex. The condom aversion goes back to Wulf, who, phallo-centric as he is, likened them to a "raincoat in the shower".

A stupid and dangerous combination (the promiscuity and the lack of STD protection, not the raincoat and the shower, which is just a bad cliche).


But what's a speculum?

That's a speculum (a fancy one, too!). It's used by gynecologists everywhere, and any woman who has had a pelvic exam has gotten cozy with one of these weird-looking instruments.

Here's how it works:
The "duckbill-like" end is closed and inserted into the vagina. Then the "bills" are widened and locked in an open position, providing access to the cervix.

"What do the Zendiks want with my cervix?"
They want to check it for visible signs of fertility. The most obvious visible signs are dilation and elastic mucus. Presence of either of these would bar you from sexual activity.

So before you went off to the Love Trailer you had to hunt down one of the handful of core Zendik women and get her to give you a "spec check".

What better way to control people's sex lives?

Okay, that's about all I can stomach for now.

 

That's actually a valid form of birth control but others count on the calender....
I was abused at zendik. They tell you about your "Genius Potential", a gift of art that everyone possesses and that you can explore at the Farm. I was taken in by the Mag I got in New Orleans that promised one can be all they can be at this Utopian garden. I'm a musician and sound engineer and carpenter and really wanted to contribute all I could but when one goes there everything you have learned here in the Death Culture is not valid anymore, you have to start all over again. I couldn't even operate a Skill saw until I was approved which does something to ones self esteem and this is where they break you. I won't even talk about my music. Every talent you think you have is taken away and you're basically treated like an idiot, you are no longer valid.
Now I don't know about you guys but that hurt me the most.

 

Sex after a cervical examination......that would totally make me not in the mood.....

 

Sometimes the only core woman you could find to give you a spec check was the woman whose boyfriend you were about to boink. Talk about awkward...