Zendik

WTF is a buddy list & why would I want to be on yours? You are on my BYATCH list pal! Do you know what that is? Do you know what my purpose is?

One man's BYATCH is another's dream

 

Actually, I don’t really know what a buddy list is either...it’s one of the options listed on the left side of the screen in Hip Forums. Your purpose, as you suggested in your last post, is getting your jollies from annoying people...and since this is the case, I don't think you’re in a position to lecture us on what constitutes a loser.

I should know better than to get dragged into this sort of thing...I’ll stop now. As Michel Foucault said, I don't hate you...I just hate stupidity.

 

Well I hope that some people from zendik farm will post soon. However, if they do I hope we will all work to keep the debate civil. Little will be gained from just flaming the people or verbal abuse. If they do post it would be a great opportunity for ex-zendiks to explain why they feel so hurt by their experience and perhaps even come to closure with their issues. It is also a good opportunity for current zendiks to understand why so many people don’t “make it”. Furthermore,It will also allow the current zendiks to tell their side of the story and add some much needed balance to this thread.

Is zendik a cult? Before we can come even close to answering that question, we first have to agree on the definition of what a cult is. I mean I could make a very convincing argument that all organized religions, environmental protection groups, boy scouts, AA, etc are all cults.

 

Dalamar: One thing that I always admired about the Zendiks is that they have a very low tolerance for bullshit (at least, for bullshit produced by non-Zendiks...). So maybe if the bullshit meter goes down a few notches on this thread, some current Zendiks might throw their two cents in...

I'll never be able to find the page again, but on one of those "Cult Watch" websites that Red Lentil directed our attention to, there's a long essay that argues (rather convincingly, in my opinion) that Alcoholics Anonymous is indeed a cult. And the most pertinent parallel to our discussion of the Zendiks would be that both AA and Zendik Farm try to convince you that you're as good as dead if you leave the group...

 

My purpose is not to annoy, although you may be getting annoyed. Anyone else wanna take a guess, BYATCHES?



Loser BYATCH!

 

To an extent I do understand that. I know I would not want to post to a thread if I thought people would attack me. On the other hand though, I find error with that line of thinking.

Certainly the zendiks do not owe us a single explanation for what they do, how they do it or where. But, as you know word of mouth advertising is the best. Word does indeed get around. If I were a member of zendik farm I would be eager to post here. If people got out of line and flamed me that would be my best defense. Think about it.

I do agree with you there. I know people in AA and I would consider them a cult but, that is just my opinion. The point is, depending on your definition, anything can be considered a cult.

 

Eureka...I just found that anti-AA page I mentioned:

http://www.geocities.com/drugsandalcoholinfo/webpagesandpapers/mindcontroltactics.htm

The author (Devin Sexson)'s riff on AA's penchant for cute slogans is also directly relevant to our discussion of the Zendiks, who have a cute (but ultimately meaningless) slogan for every occasion:

"All cults use cliches, platitudes, and slogans. They may seem clever and cute at first, but in examining them, they are vapid, overly simplistic pseudo-answers for any situation that a member might have in life. AA has a ridiculous number of these that they use frequently; they are heard at every meeting. Any time the dogma is questioned one of these slogans is given in response: "if it works, don't fix it." "let go and let God," "take the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouth." There are lists of hundreds of these slogans that have been compiled. The extensive use of these slogans starts to have an effect; people actually start to believe that the slogans have some significant relevance to their lives. People think in terms of the slogans. They develop a speech pattern where the cliches of the program are used habitually in place of thoughtful responses."

 

That was my point BYATCH! Can't you answer the questions?



I'm still waiting BYATCHES!

 

You're getting warmer & you don't even know it BYATCH!



I'm getting warmer too BYATCH!

 

godlesscommie

Thanks for the link. I will definitely give that a read.

 

Bugz, Chen, Kord, Nez, Shey, Aera, Fawn, Siah... Isn't there anyone out there that can tell us WTF is going on here?

Come on guys. You are going to have nightmares about this if you don't get some descipline and give it some thought.



Don't make this BYATCH cry!

 

Bwahahahaha! Figures this thread would attract some maniac like xtina_byatch.
Just checkin' in to see where it's going. I guess it's come to this. Cheers!

 

Okay BYATCHES. Sweeeeeeeeeeet dreeeeeeeeeeeemz.... hehehehehe.



Don't let the bed BYATCHES bite.

 

I have asked this question so many times and never got an answer. I'll try again. Is lesbian sex allowed on the farm? Gay? Lastly, does anyone know of any threesomes or persons watching coulples have sex? Sex outdoors in the open with others possibly walking by and or joining? These issues are pertinent in the completion of my thesis. No names are being used but I would greatly appreciate info. from anyone on this aspect of sex practices at the farm. How open is sex. I know it is discussed openly from raps I've listened to but in the sleeping quarters do people ever get up, climb in with someone, openly have loud sex and then go back to their own bed? All help will be appreciated. I need to complete my thesis............soon. Again, I'll use no names.

 

What does this picture mean to you BYATCHES?
Answer this question for yourself and you will have no more questions about Zendik.



Redlentil's BYATCH wish list is about as relevant to Zendik as money is to reality.

 

Oh come on are we stupid? Read the xtina_byatch text closely. It's style, it's cynicism.

It's the Zendiks themselves posting that trash trying to destroy this thread with giant pictures & stupid text. I suspect they'll post that stupid "byatch" nonesense until this thread is 1,000 pages long and so full of dumb pictures of what's her name wearing that stupid shirt until no one will read what anyone else has to say here or take it seriously.

If it continues, I'll contact the hipforum administrator.

 

I had sex with one woman, once, on Zendik Farm (sometime between nov '91 and dec '93). Because sex had to be approved by leadership and scheduled, the nervousness I was feeling (my first time with a girl) couldn't be overcome. It would have been great if we hadn't been told that a spontaneous progression of flirting into touching was "a lie". Scheduling sex (unless it's bdsm) really sucks the fun out of it.

There were two gay men living on the farm when I arrived and they were pretty sick of sleeping with each other. Anal play was prohibited, so they had to make do with oral, digital, or femoral sex. One of these men departed during my stay, and the other was the subject of attempts to "cure" his homosexuality (I think I described this in a much earlier post) by making him cuddle and touch women in increasingly sexual ways. This made him very uncomfortable and eventually he left the farm so that he could freely express his sexuality. Incoming lesbians (I remember only two) were similarly "encouraged" to gradually become sexual with men. No heterosexuals were systematically made to "try" homosexuality, though the occasional homosexual act was tolerated-- you could touch someone of the same sex without criticism only if you had an established heterosexual identity.

Wulf equated homosexuality with anal sex and taught that anal sex was a sure road to disease because it was "unnatural" (the anus was not "made" to be penetrated by a penis, whereas the vagina was "made" to be penetrated by a penis, was his logic). Arol's essay "Thoughts on men and women": http://www.zendik.org/Arol_Zendik/2004/thoughts_on/thoughts_on_men-women.html is an excellent view into the Zendik belief in biologically determined heterosexuality and gender. She believes that a confusion of biologically determined gender roles is at the heart of the problem with government. I'd recommend reading all of her essays, actually, as Arol has been the administrative leader of Zendik Farm (the one who actually directs Zendik activity) for decades now. It is in her essays that one can see Wulf's ideas as they are translated into day-to-day Zendik practice.

For a third time I compare her to notorious right-wing radio host Dr. Laura.

Sex was not allowed in bunks. Big no-no. Got to go through a third-party, get it approved, and reserve a time and place. Group sex would have been okay, but you would have had to schedule a time and a place and get it approved just like any other sexual act. Ambi and I tried to get an orgy scheduled, but we couldn't sign people up-- everybody wanted to know who else was going to be there before they agreed to do it. Another situation in which some spontanaety would have meant success.

Oh well.

Yes, disclaimer again, this was in the early '90s.

 

Yes, you are stupid, BYATCH.
Guessing will get you nowhere. THINK!
If you can tell everyone the pupose of this picture I'll stop posting.
'Til then, consider it on topic, unlike most of the crap in this thread...



Don't be a BYATCH!