young mom's

irresponsible men have had a negative effect on families

 

and around what time period did the number of irresponsible men and single parents start to rise?

cause and effect

 

about the same time we stop taking men's shit



The weak ass babies ran and cried instead of stepping up

true to your gender, you are trying to blame men's shortcomings on women


in life, people's shortcomings are their own responsibility



only the weak push the blame elsewhere

 

Who is crying and running away?
I take care of my son and i love his mother to no end.

The question still stands though: Has feminism been positive or negative for families in the last 3-4 decades?

 

food for thought:


http://www.zetetics.com/sexcor/marr.html

 

I think...ok heres my 2 cents....feminism has had a positive effect on women being equal in society in the last 3-4 decades.....I still dont see what the fuck it has to do with a man having a child and not taking responsibility....bottom line. You can blame anything all you want, but what it comes down to is the individual who makes the decision not to step up to his responsibilities. Thats all. Missfontella....you rule this thread. Hehehe.

 

Define "family". For example, if 2 gay men are raising a child, how is feminism affecting them?

If you are speaking of the days when a woman was in the kitchen, not allowed to have a job, and popping out a baby every time her husband stuck his dick in her, then I would say negative. We haven't been legally "people" who could even vote for 100 years yet. So get over it, it ain't going back now!

BTW, I am a happily married mother of 2, who stays home with the kids. This is a decision we made together, as should be.

 

read up:

http://users.adelphia.net/~enitria/trish_wilson/womensnetwork/fatherlessness.html

 

I think that feminism has done a great job of promoting equality between the sexes. However, it has, in my mind, led to two major problems.

First, it has, in the minds of many, propagated the idea that all men are pigs, as evidenced by many posts in this thread which accuse the men defending the father role in a family of wanting a slave instead of a wife.

Secondly, it has promoted the idea that only a mother is required to raise a child properly. An idea that myself and many others (and not just men and "traditional housewives") feel is completely erroneous. I don't think that a male dominated family is needed to raise a child, but I strongly believe that both a mother and a father should be present and active in a child's life to ensure a good upbringing and an emotionally balanced adult.

 

REPHRASE: average western family

i was talking more of its impact on our society's children and how feminism has changed the role of the father. Im asking whether or not that has changed for better or worse.

good for you!

Unfortunatley there are too many circumstances (especially in the legal system) where the father has no right to any decision making.

the mother is now seen as able to fill the role as mother and father to a child. when this occurs (such as in abortion rights) where is the place of fathers?

Im not talking about individuals circumstances (there are still happy family units out there), but of western society as a whole.

men getting a bum rap for simply exsisting.

feminism's version of gender equality seems a little slanted.

 

Interesting. But still, what does that have to do with why fathers (some fathers) feel no need to contribute to their child's life? No need to be there physically, emotionally, and contribute to the cost of raising a baby? You dont have to live with the mother persay....you dont have to have a typical family enviorment for a man to be there and do his part. I dunno, Im tired as fuck...so thats pretty much the last Im gonna say unless you come up with something that convinces me otherwise.

 

No, the question is.....did feminism have a negative affect on your family (meaning you, your girl, and your child)?

 

i showed the cause, you showed the effect.

the men today who feel no need to perform fatherly duties are the same boys who grew up w/either no father or one being pushed into the background.

 

no its not.

im talking about western society (usa, canada, britain, ect.) as a whole.

there are still happy families out there, but there has also been a rise in past couple decades of broken or dysfunctional households.

the issue is not a family, but families.

 

That "all men are pigs" shit isnt what feminism is about...not the core of it. You have radicals in almost every group....I didnt see any posts in this thread accusing men of that. Was there?
I dont think a father is absolutley nessesary, no. Like perhaps if a women were to be single and want a child and be artifichially inseminated or use a man for the purpose only of a baby....like that one lesbian singer chick did (sorry cant think of her name right now) with Dave Crosby. But I think if a man sleeps with a women and she ends up pregnant...uh oh....and then when she pops...that dude is nowhere to be found. Or is around..but does nothing in terms of actually taking care of his child in anyway. I think that was the premise of this thread. Im so damn tired right now..........

 

Exactly, Shane.

By marginalising the role of men, feminism has sent a message to men that they are not necessary. Thus removing their sense of responsibility.

We're not saying that men shouldn't be responsible for their children, only why many don't feel responsible.

 

i think feminism is good
but there will always be the difference between men and women
Just let them all be free and give them equal rights.

 

no, just a lot of "men are not responsible parents cause... i dont have a good reason"

THERE IS WHERE THE PROBLEM IS!

If we raise our sons to believe that fathers are not nessesary then why are we surprised when they (as men) do not feel a need to stick around?

So if a mother doesn't want a child she has a "right" to abort, but if
a father doesnt want a child he needs to suck it up and pay her (child support) to help raise the child...

 

Well, I think men today who dont feel responsible feel that way because of their own selfishness. Every man I have ever seen in this position fucked a girl cause he was horny, ooops she's pregnant, and he just aint ready to deal with that shit right now so runs like a coward. Unless a women says to a man "YOU ARE NOT NECESSARY HERE" no man has any right or reason to feel not needed. Most women make it pretty clear to these men that they are needed but get no response anyway. So excuses......blah blah....they dont mean shit.

 

my point is that it has not affected your family because of who you and your girl are

so when families fail, its about who the people in them are


Your arguement is this: Because women fought for rights they should have already had, men became disenfranchised(sp)

why do you think that is? They were pissed because we had some say in our lives, some control over how we were treated?

please, explain it to me as if I was a 5 year old

under your logic, when slavery was abolished and the slave owners were disenfranchised....it was the slaves fault?

There are two parts of a creditable arguement: structure and content

your argument is batting 0 for 2