You *must* die on LSD

iv quite enjoyed the ideas in your posts in this thread. iv had a number of plant-spirit-connection dreams over the years, somtimes occuring weeks or months before ever encountering or ingesting the plant, somtimes the dreams have occured long afterward, and a few times immediatly after ingesting (whilst my body is still processing the material).

methinks a dream-psychedelic thread needs to be opened...iv encountered in dream, entities embodying the plant spirit or essence of mushrooms, salvia, and ayahuasca. these are dreams i dont think ill ever forget, they were quite lucid and vivid at the time.

ever read "dream yoga and the practice of natual light?" ...a mind like yours would probably appreciate it.

 

Mushrooms last for 6 - 8 hours/ Acid 10 - 12 hours

Mushrooms trip goes up to the peak then down again/ Acid trip goes up to the peak, goes down a little, goes up, goes down, goes up goes down

Mushrooms keeps you in deep thought, going deeper and deeper to you reach the peak/ Acid keeps in a certain set of deep thoughts, and orchestrates back and forth between them, keeps you busy for the long trip

Mushrooms visuals are can be muddy sometimes, things up close will be clear, but things far away will morph liquidy/ Acid visuals tend to be more clear, a little more intense, the colors will blow your mind/ Both can be on the same level of visual stimulation though, sometimes it can be hard to tell

Mushrooms feels very lethargic, it will make you sit and go in to deep trance states/ Acid is energetic, it will make you sit, but such an energy will be rising up, you will sit up and be very intent and into your visions, these energetic meditations can be very powerful

Thats just some of them, there are more, but there is also a lot of similarities too. Both of them induce a trip, that leads to a state of ego death, which then reveals the hidden messages of life.

 

I would suggest to eat them both at the same time (a lot of both). I had some most profound moments on a psychedelic coktel of mushrooms and acid. It is a trip on its own.
Then you can't say this is better on shrooms and this is better on acid, its all there and waiting for you to discover it. And since there is more things to follow, a novice psychonaout will have more chance to find something which can lead him through (or to confuse him, and that is also good because you start thinking about your views on life). Although all roads lead to the same place, it is much easier to actualy "see" one road and to stick to it. And don't ask me where is that place that all roads are taking you, you need to discover it on your own, because if I tell you, you won't belive me. If you already know, I again don't need to tell you anything because words there don't mean anything. Its all about feelings - mostly love, so...

Peace and love to every soul!!!

 

so uh what happens when your ego dies?

do you go somewhere else?

does your body lay their motionless?

can you hear people?

do your friends call 911 when they see you "ego dead"?

all this "dieing on lsd" is so fucking vague, i know it cant be described in words but everyone speaks so elusive about it.

being reborn? do you just wake up from ego death and tell everyone that you were reborn? i mean im sure its the most enlightening experience aside from DMT but i never remember what happens to me when i start peaking, althought i have never achieved ego death i am getting very, very, very close. But i can never let go. Even if i did let go what would happen? would i just go into a crazy trance state which i wont remember once i stop peaking? What is the point of this ego death? are any of your lives improved by it? honestly im scared of dieing on lsd because my instincts show me that it is something i dont want to do. My trips show me that doing it would be an irreversible mistake, i often have my parents voices in my head screaming at me and crying begging me not to let go.

its pretty fucked up

 

"you" is the thing that stops.

Yes, or quivering, or whatever it is your body is doing. Ego death has nothing to do with your physical body, you could be having a seizure or fast asleep or sitting.

There is hearing, though it is not seperate from vision, or taste. There is no "you" to hear.

The outward appearance is of being high, lost in thought, etc.

It's nothing complicated, it's simply semantically determined that once you come out of "ego death", you are, well, "reborn". It's just a word.

It's not that you have to let go, its that you is let go.

You will remember something of ego death, the penumbra of it, when a faint flicker of you still remains to form memories. The state itself cannot be recorded by the human nervous system, it is simply impossible.

Are you being serious? If so, you have got a lot of reading and listening to do before you understand and feel comfortable with this whole thing. I don't understand how a regular poster in the LSD forums on hipforums just asked if ego death has a point. I must be missing something here.

You need like an ego-death primer. A 101. When your ego dies and is rebuilt, you get to see all the inner workings and machinations that make you you. it is exceedingly educational. You won't be the same after, in a good way. A lot of your harmful programming will be wiped out. A lot of the gunk you've accrued throughout your life will be cleansed when all is purged and reformed.

Yeah we call that fear. If you're not ready to let go of mommy's hand then you're not ready to die like a samurai, right? One step at a time man. Ego death is no joke, it will be the most intense experience you will ever go through.

 

Right on, loong time no see!

 

I just recently watched a friend of mine go through a major ego death experience on 5-meo-dmt. It was insane, for him. I was sitting there smoking it laughing my ass off while he was laying in his puke. He was totally not expecting what happened was going to happen. But all in all he liked the experience, but never wants it again.

I like to have an ego death experience on some drugs, at some times, but not always. They are very enjoyable, because they bring you something different every time. Then afterwards you feel life and appreciation and stop taking it for granted.

Don't be scrrd, let go. After many ego death experiences, I am just the type of person who can let go not only in regular life, but on psychs and other drugs. It is a way of life for me, difficult sometimes, but a way of life.

 

LSD, here's two TRs of my experiences with ego death.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?p=5588153#post5588153

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=345991&f=118

 

The ego is an idea you have about your own identity, the world, and your relationship to it.

 

The ego is like, your sense of good and evil, which aren't necessarily true, along with other ideas that you refuse to accept aren't true. I'm not sure why this is, I tend to think it's supposed to be shed, and then your mind develops into a different state, like rising above to a different level. Many cultures had initiation rights or such in order to be a man and I think that might be important to our mental development, but that's just my theorizing, although I really do think that most people in society don't fully develop theri minds. why this is I can't say for sure.

 

In this context, we are speaking about something even greater. It is not just your ideas about things, it is the very thing that "has" ideas!

 

Yes "it" has a mind of its own

 

Well that about sums it up, don't it. Alright!

I was going to say that to me there is a greater clarity in lsd than psilocybin mushrooms. Then this, and inthydreams' post ...

 

Wow! Massive claim!

Now I'm gonna have to try them properly!

You still feel this way Mr.Writer?

 

See I read all these, and I agree with them, and I think it just makes acid sound WAY better. I've tried shrooms twice.... Over 4 grams the first time, a couple the second, and... maybe I didn't try enough but it really seemed like a curb'd acid experience. No deep thought or anything either -- while like you wrote, Acid seems to be an ORCHESTRATION of deep thoughts. On shrooms, all I really did both times was ramble like a high person (which is fun, but I can do that on weed).

I'm really shocked to see so many people say they like shrooms more than acid. Acid just seems much more holy, and a much bigger experience, that I wonder what I'm doing wrong or haven't experienced on shrooms (yet).

I feel Acid and Shrooms are cousin drugs, but def. Acid is the bigger and wider one...

From Mr. Writer's Shroom write up

Yeah.... never. Even on acid, never. I don't know if my mind makes sense of things too quickly, or what it is, but I never seem to trip as much as other friends. Even the shroom night I think other people were trippin and I was honestly having to force it at some points. Not sure what's going on...

I wonder if there is any truth to the fact that since every mind is different, some are drastically more or less capable to trip.

EDIT: Totally unlrelated note but Mr. Writer's trip reports are fun to read because later on F(x) also pipes in with his impression of the night haha. Kind of gives you two perspectives on the same event, and you can look for similarities to kind of confirm some of the well-written descriptions and generalizations Writer gives us (which, help to understand the experience).

 

He needs to increase dose.

 

wow that all sounds pretty great.

and yes, i read a book by tenzin wangyal rinpoche on dream/sleep yoga. meditation in dreams is one of the best things ever

 

It the only thing which is keeping us here in this physical dimension, without it we wouldn't be able to live in our body. It is hour guardian, but also keeps us imprisoned, but alive.

But nobody said that we can' send it to "sleep" for some time, reconnect with "mothership" and make an excursion in to the antient future!!

Peace and love!!

 

I did at the time, and of course post DPT i would tell you that dpt is much more intense than either, and etc to whatever degrees and relevancy, but really what i've learned is to try and not make comments like that, because its really apples and oranges with different dosage levels. LSD changed my life far more than mushrooms did. I don't know if I really learned anything useful in the 9-5 world from shrooms, you know? ditto for dpt and others. i mean yeah some things like being happier and stuff, but lsd was like acquiring another 24 years of knowledge within 8 hours. it was just the mother of all data uploads.

 

Yeah I wish he'd post more, but he's got an insane schedule.

It's just dosage dude. Mushrooms are really hit and miss, one day you'll get some fire grams. my first trip on 4g was weak as shit, i didn't understand what the big deal was