World War III?

Join Date: Jul 2004
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forget it, he's so obviously stuck in his own little world where facts and opinions don't count, just his own crude thinking. It's like trying to argue with a tape player.


lol, I love it. I despise arguing anyway, and try to ensure I do not make the same point twice, which usually limits arguments to a few lines. I just wanted to let him know that I believe that his truth is accepted by me as being just as real and valid as yours or mine, and no more.

 

The word, "religion", is superficial. This isn't a once a week kind of worship. This is my life. It's the air that I breathe.

 

And that is how it should be. My beliefs are also everpresent. I do not set aside one day to work on my spiritual growth. It is a subject I ponder many, many times a day. I did not use the word religion, as the vast majority of organized religions do not ring true to me. Traditional ones come closest, but I do not think I will ever pick one. I cannot exclude the others, and have always learned things from them all. it would be easier to just join one and focus on it, but I can't.
So, I will just keep on learning, and try to let others do their own thing.

Love

 

Hear say and speculation is a long way from facts. But if your thinking like the person on the other post, that 2+2=5, I guess that's as close to the facts as you need to get.

 

I like the way kind of original and creative thinking that is able to comprehend the existance of situations when 2 + 2 = 5. The particle accelerators used in Quantum Physics research to smash atomic particles together is one of the places where exactly that can happen.

Truth is truly stranger than fiction. I am curious, would it in any way detract from Jesus' ministry if he had been married to Mary Magdalene and had two sons? And if not, what if that bloodline was still extant in the Jewish Royal Family? Would that help or harm or have no effect on His teachings and/or reputation?

 

Well actually my little world is grounded in the bible. You don't like to argue because you don't have the facts to back up your arguements. And because of your lack of knowledge you call my thinking crude. And then you go on to say that your truth is as valid as my truth. Never mind that are views are a complete contradiction. And the reason you arguments are limited to a few lines is because that's all the material you have. You say i'm not interested in facts and opinions. I have heard a lot of opinions hear,but please, show me what facts you are talking about. I have presented solid evidence than can be checked out. Yet, most of the facts you have presented on this fourm, boils down to psycho babel. It's very easy to dismiss a person by calling him a name, and then say how much you hate to argue. What you are really doing is taking the easy way out, because of your lack of evidence and knowledge. And then you talk about me being stuck in my little world. You say talking to me is like talking to a tape player. Well at least my reels are full.

 

How would things be different if Christ was married? That would be hard to say, I'm sure the world would find some way to pervert what ever relationship He found Himself in. However the bible never speaks of a wife. There is no evidence from that time period. You can speculate about anything, since He is God you could say. I wonder if Jesus would like a Chevy or a Ford. The answer is the bible doesen't say. Now we can think up all kinds of reasons why he would perfer a Chevy over a Ford. And we could say just because the bible doesen't mention which car, maybe He would like the Chevy over the Ford. You can speculate your life away but it is better to consider what we do no about Him.
The example of 2+2 is in reference to simple math. It was a simple explanation at the grade school level. And if a student handed her teacher the math problem 2+2=5 the teacher would not consider quantum physics.The problem would be marked wrong. The bible gives us one way of escape from sin, and quantum physics will not help us.

 

I think that you have hit the nail on the head regarding the world perverting His relationship. My belief that He was most likely married stems from the fact he supported and encouraged marriage, so why would He not participate? The three times He is referred to as Rabbi, which to my logic, would necessitate an explanation if He was a unique exception to the rule. The people of the day would almost certainly question why He was exempted. Finally, why would a guest at a wedding (Mother Mary) take away the responsibility of providing the wine from the bridegroom's family? It is hard to understand for me. And finally, it does not state anywhere that He was not married.
The millenia between then and now offer plenty of opportunity for the church fathers to rewrite the Bible, and edit out His married status, but it appears to me that they were not thorough enough.

 

The example of 2+2 is in reference to simple math. It was a simple explanation at the grade school level. And if a student handed her teacher the math problem 2+2=5 the teacher would not consider quantum physics


Well Campbell, all I can say to that is that I am not at the grade school level anymore.

 

What does being called, "master/teacher", have to do with being married?

Jesus fasted half the time, but spoke about food in his parables quite often, so along the same lines, talking about marriage doesn't imply that he did so himself.

Besides, if he was married, he would have had children. If he had children, there would be a little half God child walking around, since, Jesus was God.

 

I know married couples without children...

And I think BlackGuard's point is that he was referred to as rabbi 3 times, and to be a rabbi you must be married, traditionally.

 

What does it matter, you would deny every thing just like most everyone else.... only a few find the narrow gate that leads to life.

 

Well if you take the position that the church wrote it out of the bible, and if the bible could be so perverted, then you should really throw the book away. If God could speak the universe in to exsistance, but could not get His book right, I would say He is not much of a God. Yet the dead sea scrolls which were untouched for 2000 years agrees with our modern day bible. And there is nothing that would indicate that anyone wrote anything out of the scriptures. For the dead sea scrolls existed before the church. They were discovered in 1947.

 

It is just YOUR opinion that you have to accept the Bible all or nothing. I was raised by baptists, and they felt the same way. However, not all denomanations do, and not all individual christians do. Your interpretation of the bible/religion is not the absolute. I don't know why that is so hard for you to understand.

Anyway, it is an old book in an old language, and from an old religion. No everyone is going to interpet the book the same way. This is made obvious by all the different denominations of christianity. It's been thousands of years and still people can't agree on what exactly this book is supposed to be telling us. What makes you think you are the one with the "right" interpretation in all these thousands of years?

 

What proof do you have that I am denying it? Once again, more than one source.

 

not that this has anything to do at all, but my church preaches that god is love, and love is within all of us. Therefore, we are all part god whether or not jesus actually had kids...but this guy obviously doesn't go to the same type of church, so blah.

 

You havent denied it yet but im sure you will judging by the trend...

Proof that the Bible was truly inspired by God....

-Prophetic Proof

-Scientific accuracy

-Archaeological proof (historical accuracy)

You can simply type in "proof of the Bible" in a search engine and numerous sites will come up.... if you are willing to?

 

"Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall have a place in the kingdom of heaven"

 

Because God did not give us a book that we could not understand.
As the bible declares. God is not the author of confusion. Yes there are many churches, I have been in many. Do not look to the churches for your faith, they are a poor excuse for the house of God. I know Jesus, He is alive, and He is powerful. The more you desire Him the more He reveals Himself to you. In the bible you will read where there is a lack of faith God did not work many miracles, but where there was faith God poured out His power. The same is true today. Don't look for faith in the church. The truth of the bible is there for those who seek it. The churches are in confusion because their understanding comes from men in power who do not know God, but hold priestly titles. Jesus said ask and you shall receive, knock and it shall be open unto you. I have ask and I have received. I asked God to show me the future, one year later He did.

 

If you remember anything about Jesus he opposed the traditions of men, and stated such with conviction. The word of God has become null and void because of the traditions of men. Jesus opposed tradition because it was often laced with the meaningless laws of men and not the laws of God. When Jesus was 12 years old He was already teaching the Rabbies in the temple. He was never raised to be a rabbi or instructed. Jesus from His youth knew more than the elders of Israel. In Luke 2:41, the Rabbies of the temple were astonished at His understanding and answers.