Woman Fighting on the frontline

Oh,you want me to say it's unequal for women to take up the rear positions keeping the men from taking the same positions?OK-it's unfair.Is it equality for women to not be included in frontline troops.No.
Do I believe in individual responsibility for one's actions?Hell yes.
Do I believe everyone should answer for the crimes of everyone else of their sex?No.Am I a troll?Never thought so.Do I misdirect.I speak my mind to whomever and when ever I want.Whats' next?-------------------------And by the way,where are the women that frequent this place?

 

Are you familiar with the term 'cognitive dissonance'?

 

Yes.Look,that's what you two were wanting to hear--that women were being treated in a special way because of their being women .I agreed ,but I also said that it offended my sensibilities to have them in harms way by being in the line of fire and I'm fine with that.If you think it's cognitively dissonant on my part for them to be treated in a special way regarding the horrors and rigors of combat as opposed to what I mentioned in my previous posts,equal pay for equal work,ability to make real estate deals in their own names,etc,I plead guilty.Yes,I separate the two.Equal in all matters except war.Wars are testosterone-driven situations and I believe women have their place in them.That's just the way I feel.

 

I think this is one of the toughest issues for women to deal with in an honest way. Truth is, if we want complete, absolute equality, then we are no better to get shot, blown up, get brain damage, lose arms and legs, or get raped in prison than men are. But nobody wants to say that out loud. Honestly, most of us would settle for equality that stops just short of that point.

 

Thanks for showing up.It's been obvious that I'll say it out loud.

 

But as I said before, the main objective of feminism isn't to be equal in every area of life (5-set tennis matches, anyone?), it is to have equal rights under the law. There's no law saying that women can't serve in combat (I don't think); it's just a rule, like 3-set tennis matches. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Nice, Sunfighter.I wish I'd said that and left it at that.

 

But that's not the issue. You said that men start wars so men should take the responsibility and leave women out of it. You then said that people are responsible for their own actions and shouldn't be held accountable for the actions of others of their sex. This is a contradiction.

 

You make no sense.I'm going to work and I've said all I'm going to say on this.Let it go man.Let it go.

 

You are wrong.

The analogy with "rules" as opposed to "laws" makes no sense.

Ok, let's break this down...

So, feminists would not have a problem with companies (larger than mom and pop shops) refusing to hire women (or refusing promotions) simply because they are women as long as there is no law requiring the company to act so and the company creates the rule themselves?

It would not be an infringement of their rights if every company did that?

 

russians did it in ww2--isralies do it now---and currently my neice is in the navy shes a med corp person who patches up marines in afghanistan right now--she hates the slaughter and has nightmares and worries about Ptsd--fuck all the bullshit wars were fighting--ps the women snipers were a great benefit to the russians----women can fight---shooting is easy

 

I make no sense? Until you explain the blatant contradictions in your argument, you've got no right to make that accusation.

 

thats horrible

 

i dunno about women being less capable in combat.... but thinking as a the commander of armed forces, i wouldn't want my frontline troops getting it on in the foxholes. sexual attraction is a distraction in a warzone, if you ask me.

 

I have seen a lot of reasons given why they should or should not but what do you guys think is the reason that the US government does not put women there?

 

It's true.

 

I´m sorry you see yourself in that way. Luckily, you don´t speak for all women

 

Is that supposed to insult me in some way?

This isn't about "seeing myself" in some way...I menstruate every month, as do all normal women. I also have less muscle mass than most men, as do most normal women, those are facts. Not pc, but true.

I don't have an "anything he can do, I can do" complex.

 

sorry, didn´t mean to sound like I was insulting you, but I do believe women are just as capable as men (it´s not a complex, it´s just my belief) -and there are plenty of women in the army who would agree. I don´t agree with what our armies are being used for right now, but everyone has a right to fight for what they believe in.

 

I went on plenty of missions in Iraq where women were out there with us on a patrol, outside the wire in the combat zone, with infantry soldiers. No, they were not infantry, but they were out there doing the same things on these patrols. There are jobs they can get that put them out there, medic and military police immediately come to mind. We were ambushed one time and the gunner in the lead truck got hit. The medic was in the rear vehicle and she left the armored humvee and ran, in full combat gear, probably 75 yards in the open to render aid to the Soldier.

Just because you're not infantry doesn't mean you can't be "on the front line". My job wasn't infantry, but I was out with the infantry almost every day...and my job is a job a woman can do. In fact I know one female in Iraq right now doing the same thing I did.