Will Trump Supporters Listen To The Warnings?

You mean the populace.

“I love the poorly educated!” -Trump

 

blame it on autocorrect

 

As with all of us he worked within the framework of the environment he had to contend with. Some do better than others or we'd all be millionaires. I have no doubt the system is rigged overall, particularly favoring class over talent. I don't like it and have worked for plenty of greedy assholes who clearly got where they were by walking over everyone else. But that's where we are and no amount of whining over Trump or comparing him to Hitler (of all people) is going to solve a thing.

I won't put any president out of my mind, why suggest it. The problems we have today cascaded downhill from all of them and the people they hired. I can't imagine simply "forgetting" the past to speculate on the future, what possible use is that? It's as foolish as calling for Trump's impeachment a few days into his term, geez folks, wait till he actually does something wrong. I've never seen impeachment as a solution to anything, it was a waste of time and money to impeach Clinton. As much as I hated Clinton's drug policy, I knew impeachment was just a distraction. I lost friends and family to the drug war that Clinton and Obama should have mitigated when they had the chance. They let it slip through their fingers when ending it would have made far more social impact than any of the measures they did manage to champion. With the possible exception of Cash for Clunkers, that didn't seem to do much.

To the point of the thread, I'm still waiting for the "warnings" beyond what he already said he would do. So far the only thing that's obvious is that a bunch of assholes who were already itching to destroy shit and assault people are using any utterance from him to destroy shit and assault people. Not much of a surprise there. We even have grade school kids fighting over politics today and we're supposed to see that as progress?

 

The game or 503 is a black hole. You don't want to be caught up in that....or maybe you do. I wouldn't know.

 

The Tea Party is merely the fundamentalist half of the republican party which is the whole problem. Fundamentalists in the Bible Belt have the worst social record of anyone in a country which, of course, they blame on everyone else in the world. Periodically some shrink somewhere will make a public stink of the fact that fundamentalism meets their criteria for a mental disease. Which means, of course, that the insane are now running the asylum. The traditional response of democrats is to wait for the shit to hit the fan and keep pushing a progressive agenda slowly bringing the insane back into the light. For example, part of the reason that same sex marriage was just legalized and even Trump won't touch the issue is that fundamentalist children have been moving to cities and their values in that regard are now different from their parents. We are literally a rural country that only recently gained a larger urban population than our rural one and are slowly bringing people out of the dark ages.

The problem is that the country has made way too much money since WWII and the democratic party has merely become part of the same corrupt system that favors white collar crime over blue collar and has now become an empire with almost no real constitutional rights. One party or the other will inevitably be forced to either restore more balance to the system or they will increasingly be taken over by outsiders like Trump until the American people welcome their first dictator for life in a display of no confidence in the system. Its the civil war all over again and, for example, if the Tea Party had ever carried through on their threat to bankrupt the government Obama would have had no choice but to disband the party and send the robots and Homeland Security to round up the worst of them.

That I even had to point out to the idiots that, without a working budget, the only way to keep running the government is the use of force boggles the imagination. The idea that the government might round them up like cattle if they seriously attacked those in power just never occurred to them. Trump is another example of just how out of touch with reality and threats to democracy itself republicans have become as they wander around the asylum pretending to be Hitler, Napoleon, or whoever.

 

Hey, Hitler was a Horatio Alger story: on of a failed farmer, he did poorly in school, made an early living as a casual laborer and painter, and lived for awhile in homeless shelters. Yet he was able to rise to the Chancellorship of Germany--by honing his talents as a demagogue and exploiting the hurts and insecurities of the German people. We don't know for sure, but I suspect some people said after he took power: "that's where we are and no amount of whining about Adolf is going to solve a thing." Which is true. Whining solves nothing, but neither does denial of evil.

 

Speaking of whining, you seem to be nursing grievances from the nineties. I don't think there's been a time in history when there weren't pockets of a population who weren't disadvantaged by government policy. Missing from your litany of grievances are any from the administration of G.W. Bush, who gave us two wars, two major recessions, and torture. The Dystopian picture you paint of our country is straight out of the Trump playbook. Most people in this country are relatively prosperous, although the widening gap between rich and poor bequeathed to us by Reaganomics bodes ill for the future. The disgruntled miners and factory workers who rallied to Trump will soon find they were fooled by misdirection. Trump portrayed immigration as the big threat, but it's actually automation that may do them in which is escalating, as brick and mortar stores give way to online enterprises like Amazon. The coal miners blame environmental regulation for their misfortunes, but natural gas is the main culprit, and trump is all for fracking.Think of the buggy whip manufacturers put out of business by the automobile. What did the government do for them? Aww. Clinton and Obama should have done something to mitigate the drug war. As I recall, Obama had a brief window of opportunity to deal with anything during the first half of his first term in office, when the Democrats controlled Congress. The Republicans were still totally intransigent and used the filibuster to block lots of legislation, and after 2010 they took back Congress and blocked anything Obama wanted to do. You don't say what you think Obama should have done about the "drug war", but he did relax enforcement on things like weed. See how long that lasts under Jeff Sessions!

You say you're "still waiting for the "warnings" beyond what he already said he would do". Just doing what he said he would do is enough of a problem, but the nepotism, insult to Australia, "alternate facts', etc. are gratuitous. The hastily conceived failed Yemen raid, the authorization of mining companies to dump toxic sludge into streams, elimination of the fiduciary rule to protect investment consumers, allowing oil companies to conceal bribes to foreign dictators--were all things I don't recall hearing about on the campaign trail, but they already happened.

 

Thespians like to say there are seven to, at most, eleven basic stories. Hitler can be compared to any number of stories about capitalism supporting blind ambition and promoting institutionalized insanity. The cargo cults of New Zealand are another example of the infantilization of entire populations leading to mindless and self-destructive extremes. Unless the mindless mob actually decides for themselves to own their personal truth nobody else can give them what they need and there will always be those ready and able to exploit their childish views.

 

Yawn worthy. It's like watching a review of the media. Do you have any real opinions? Aside from getting personal in the forums. Or is this your whole show?

 

So the answer to the OP is No. Trump supporters won't listen to the warnings. They don't want to be confused by the facts and will brush them off as so much Blah! Blah! When the smoke alarms go off, they'll say "we haven't seen any fire yet. When the canary keels over in the mine, they'll say: the bird must have had some congenital defect. So they'll have to learn the hard way. But we don't have to be so complacent.

 

Well the premise of the OP is that Trump supporters are all in the Kool Aid and are not critical of their man.

But plenty held their noses while voting, and only support Trump as the lesser of two evils.

Plenty are turned off by his background in casinos, beauty pagents & reality TV. Plenty are turned off by bullying & bluster.

And Yes, we can talk about the alternatives to Trump, as presented in the November election. To reflect upon our choices, to measure if our vote really made sense given the alternatives and given the policies of the past eight years. And the moves made by President Obama during his last two months in office.

 

I just wonder what the point is when some people are never going to see eye to eye....no matter what happens.....Trump supporters will always be just that...trump supporters. Sad, really.

 

Right, it's as if there are only 2 kinds of people in America, "stupid" Trump "supporters" and "enlightened" Hillary supporters. No middle ground seems to be possible. I was a Bernie supporter, but since I don't like the Clintons, I MUST be a Trump supporter. It's as if nobody has read Marx or Trotsky. A hint, choosing absolutes pretty much means you have surrendered your mind to campaigners.

One thing I have noticed since Trump was elected is the preponderance of clairvoyants, prophets and psychics we seem to have, not only in America, but also on HF. It's amazing!!!

We're overdue for a Free Psychotic Reading. Too bad George is gone.

 

Nah. According to MeAgain, once trump fucks up they will stop. Should be interesting to see who the dems put up in 4 and who the reps put up in 8.

 

There is no seeing eye to eye when the entire country is focused on favoring wealth and choosing from among the lesser of many evils. Like our financial constraints put on the banks and Wall Street to prevent another Great Depression, we have dismantled our own constitution, government checks and balances, and legal system. People can rebuild them, but they will only do so if it is the lesser of many evils to choose from just as we only built them after the collapse of Wall Street led to the great depression. So long as the money keeps rolling in and collecting at the top nobody will be allowed to touch anything and will be discouraged from even helping people to see eye to eye because the lesser of many evils is the mentality of you are either with us or against us.