Why ???

So from now on we shouldn't be treating anyone who is suspected of only having 72 hours left to live.
You make it sound like these people don't matter.
You put Unnecessary in capitals but the word that got me was FEW. There have been a lot more than a few unnecessary deaths in Usa and UK and all across the world

The government in the UK have been very poor in there dealing with the virus.
They are being reactive rather than pro active. We could and should have been loving a relatively normal life for the past 6 months ( foreign travel excepted ).With approx 40 000 less deaths. All we had to do was close the borders. Lockdown 2 weeks earlier first time. Been strickter for the lockdown period and for the few months after and slowly opened things up while monitoring rates. We then keep the boarders closed until the vaccine has been given out and the population is safe.

 

I couldn't agree more mate .It frustrates me that I am not allowed to drive to the next town to pick up my Home brew stuff but it's alright for someone else to take an overseas flight .I'm breaking the law of if I make that trip and risk a £200 fine. The other person flying goes unchallenged BONKERS .
The airports should be shut end of ...

 

You are seeing my comment the wrong way around and since death is such an unsavoury subject I can understand why. I need to explain and being in the UK, I will use our figures.
Every day, about 1,500 people die, a figure roughly equivalent to our birth-rate. Around half of these people have some form of cancer in their body and in some cases it is shortening their life.
As a body weakens in the final weeks it's immune system collapses, leaving it open to viruses and pathogenic bacteria. The normal route is a virus leading to bacteria infesting the lungs, which in turn leads to septicaemia, raspatory arrest, followed by cardiac arrest and death. In some cases the bacteria overcomes the digestive system. In the final hours, kidney failure normally precedes multi organ failure.
In 95% of all deaths, a virus takes hold during the last 72 hours. Therefore any virus or cold epidemic peaks the death rate during that month. However, bringing deaths foreword by a few weeks creates a dip in the figures at the end of the epidemic.

Fast foreword to the covid situation.
When a person arrives at the hospital, their is no crystal ball that tells doctors that they are dying. Therefore viruses all are treated right to the point of ICU ventilation and cocktails of antibiotics. This is the only possible way of separating patients who can survive, from those who are destined to die.
All lockdowns are purely to slow down covid spread and avoid overwhelming the hospitals to the point that ICU treatment is not available to everyone who needs it, whatever their condition.

I hope that my brief explanation makes sense. I am not a consultant in infectious conditions and I am sure that their are plenty of doctors who could have expanded my synopsis into several hundred pages,
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Here in the UK, this nasty first mutation virus has raised the 2020 mortality rate by about 2%, but this happens during all virus epidemics throughout the world.
This clearly indicates that government intervention has worked.
Back in March 2020, people died in care homes without hospital care. Although it would have saved a fairly small number of them, it is terribly sad and has left a lot of loved ones confused and angry. They have my deepest sympathy.

The USA latest figures somewhat baffle me. The last official figures show total 2020 deaths as no increase on 2019.
While I hope that by explanations have helped you understand the fuller picture, I would still have expected an increase in 2020 mortality.
In the USA, the daily mortality rate is 8,000.

 

I think in our country it was to get people off of Social Security, etc., plus Trump didn't have people in his administration to deal with it. Only so much you can expect from lobbyist, right

 

2% Of 80 million ( uk approx population )160 000. That's a lot of deaths and we haven't reached that figure yet.
They may gave some sort of cancer that shortens their lives but they still may have several years left not a few weeks.Or they may even get cured .
You do say some are you meaning most or a small portion are close to death ?
You also seem to hint bringing some deaths of people forward by a few weeks is not a disaster. Tell that to loved ones.
All people in the UK are entitled to the same care even icu care and hopefully are getting it which i think you meant.

Hers in the UK this is not the first mutation we have had several and we are not sure if it came in from another country. Although this seems to be more contagious.
Indications are lockdowns do work but only if done correctly and strongly. Wouldnt say are government are any of these or we wouldn't have one of the worst rates in the world ( i personally think our government are a disgrace and should be ashamed and ever if possible prosecuted for their handling of this pandemic.)
We have got an increase in 2020 mortality rates which could have been avoided.
I personally think we should have had less that 50 percent of the fatalities that we have had if we had decent leadership and not a buffon leading a bunch of clowns.

 

A 2% increase in the death rate is not 2% of the population, the figure is an 11,000 increase on the average of the last 5 years. This means that our average life expectancy in 2020 was slightly less than 4 days below average.

Covid 19 was the first mutation of an animal virus into the human race. Further progressive mutations are normal for all viruses.
Their will always be speculation whether additional antibodies are required, both in natural immunity or in vaccines. In general a second attack of a virus in an upgraded form is rare and no worse than a minor cold.

Trying to rid the world of a virus, would be far more difficult than trying to rid the world of mosquitoes and rats at the same time. It is impossible.
The answer lies in immunity, much of which is natural. If I have covid and sneeze on you your chances of catching the virus are high. However, if I have recovered from the virus and sneeze on you, I am sharing my immunity and reducing both the likelihood and severity of the virus to your system.
It was purely natural shared immunity that stopped the great plague of London in 1666, long before vaccines were even heard of.
While we need to slow the virus down to prevent overwhelming the hospitals, too much isolation is slowing down immunity at the same time.
The whole situation is far more complex than we could even imagine.

Perhaps a better example of natural immunity dates back yo the year 1600. When Britain set up the East India trading company (still in existence today),1 in 3 of British people working in India died during the monsoon season. No one survived for more than 4 years.
I can't think of a better example.

I am also one of the people who think that an earlier strain of covid in humans may date back to 2018.
As you may already know, my speciality is cardio thoracic surgery. In 2018, their was a spate on 1 in 4 ectopic arrhythmia which was diagnosed as being caused by scarring caused by an unknown virus. Coincidentally the same damage is appearing following corona 19. Fortunately it heals within 24 months without intervention.

 

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We still don't know if covid 19 came from animals or from a lab there is speculation both ways. The WHO are trying to find out be as expected the Chinese are not being very helpful from what we hear.
We do need to build immunity at the same time keeping the population safe.
This vaccine dosent stop you getting the virus. It just stops you getting sick from it. Hopefully this will mean if most people get it and not get ill we can at the same time build up a heard immunity.
Sweden tried to go down the no lockdown and heard immunity route. Not very successful and have had to start locking down so we still don't know how successful heard immunity will be.
I don't think we will ever now be rid of this virus or at least not for a very long time. I personally think we will need to get the virus several times before we will be virtually immune or have sufficient antibodies to fight it off without us getting ill.
So the vaccine is are best hope at the moment to try to get back to some sort of normality. We may have to get a vaccine every 6 to 12 months for the foreseeable future to keep the vaccine under control.
Hopefully the drugs companies are still researching a vaccine that will prevent you getting the virus but this is probably years away

If you sneezed on me with or without Covid you may need a long stay in hospital

 

I don't think anyone is saying that its not there or not bad.

Personally I have had it twice and possibly 3 times . The last time I had it, I didn't test and it was over after a day. Each successive time is much milder than the previous .There are probably many factors that determine whether a person is going to be really ill . Out of 10 people in my family ,one person was really badly affected resulting in heart surgery .So it is real but there isn't need for any government to place the fear of God into people .All it needs is everyone to be sensible about it and take more care . Those that are vulnerable, possibly need to shield better and only go out if family or friends can't do errands for them.

My main criticism from a UK point of view is the UK Governments handling of the Pandemic. Its been nothing short of disgraceful with policies that don't make any sense and wishy washy leadership forced upon those trying to enforce policies . A most recent example a legally bought takeaway carton of coffee classified as a picnic ! Its daft ideas like that which is feeding the sceptics .

 

The last thought exactly.

 

My Cardiologist and my primary care Dr., and Pulmonologist all told me if I get it will KILL me. The only people I come in contact with is my Drs., nurses, and my brother, who brings my groceries. This has happened since early March. I listen to my Doctors, that's all.

 

Take a look at my last paragraph on #26.
Was your family members heart condition caused by scarring due to the virus, this problem has been going on since 2018 and is very puzzling.
I don't believe in conspiracy, but I think that covid may be more complex than it appears on the surface. Over the last decade viruses seem to have had some previously unknown affects.

 

There was a recent study that showed heart disease decreases in Asian populations, the more religious they are. My own work indicates that our emotions can be compared to our immune system, with anger being comparable to our immune system attacking a virus or bacteria, and explaining the placebo effect. You could say both the virus and our mind and body are attempting to adapt to each other, and create a workable relationship.

 

Their is truth in what you say, everything needs to work in harmony and hormones play their part.
Modern living also upsets the apple cart. While I may need my heartrate to increase when I am running away from tiger, I certainly don't need it to increase when I am reading rubbish on the internet.

 

They wern't sure . What was certain the heart condition was caused by Covid . He is fine now apart from some memory loss .

 

They are literally killing themselves with their own lies, very much like an overly aggressive immune response. The entire planetary ecology is practically septic at this point, and ready to keel over, and its not a coincidence. According to my own research, the virus may actually be the planet's way of making people less aggressive overall, making me suspicious of the timing of its arrival.

 

The scumbag-in-chief apparemtly cannot or will not answer as to why he over-ruled Priti Patel and didn't close the borders (as he could and should have done) back last March. Theoretically, he is guilty of culpable homicide on thousands of victims who have died of Covid - 19 subsequently !!!


Boris Johnson dodges two questions in a row over why he failed to close UK borders at start of pandemic

Yahoo Staff Writer
Jan 20th 2021 9:20AM
Boris Johnson has twice refused to say why he failed to close the UK's borders at the start of the coronavirus pandemic.

Johnson was under pressure at Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs) after it emerged home secretary Priti Patel told Conservative supporters on Tuesday night that she argued for the borders to be shut to international visitors in March last year, when infections first began to rapidly spread in the UK.

In comments first reported by the Guido Fawkes website, Patel said: "On 'should we have closed our borders earlier', the answer is yes. I was an advocate of closing them last March."




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Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer subsequently asked Johnson at PMQs on Wednesday: "Why did the PM overrule the home secretary?"

Johnson, however, refused to answer the question and once again labelled Starmer "Captain Hindsight".

The PM said: "I think it was last March that [Starmer] along with many others was saying we didn't need to close borders, but as usual Captain Hindsight has changed his tune to suit events.

"We're in the middle of a national pandemic and this country is facing a very, very grave death toll.

"We are doing everything we can to protect the British public, which I think is what he would expect. That's why we have instituted one of the toughest border regimes in the world."

That was in reference to tougher restrictions on international arrivals introduced by transport secretary Grant Shapps last week.

Johnson added he was "delighted" Starmer was "praising" Patel, marking a "change of tune" from his previous campaigning in favour of freedom of movement – a policy the Labour leader abandoned earlier this month.

Starmer hit back, denying it was "hindsight" to point out Patel said Johnson needed to shut Britain's borders last March. He repeated the question to Johnson over why he overruled Patel.

Johnson again refused to answer, and repeated his attack lines on Starmer.

"We've instituted one of the toughest border regimes in the world and it was only last March that he, along with many others in his party, were continuing to support an open border approach.

"I must say the whole experience of listening to [Starmer] over the last few months... has been like watching a weather vane spin round and round depending on where the breeze is."

In mid-March last year, the UK abandoned asking people to quarantine for two weeks after arriving from areas with high infection rates, such as Hubei province in China and Italy.

The decision was in contrast to many other countries, such as New Zealand, which has been widely praised for getting the pandemic under control – partly through strict quarantine measures for arrivals.

The UK government then introduced blanket quarantine restrictions in June for all international travellers, except those coming from Ireland, while "travel corridors" with countries deemed to have safe levels of infection were established a month later.

Ministers last week suspended all travel corridors, as well as introducing new rules requiring arrivals to produce a negative coronavirus test taken up to 72 hours before departure and to self-isolate for up to 10 days after entering the UK, in a move designed to prevent new strains of Covid-19 entering the UK.