to whoever said 'just think of them as human' they are human, we shouldn't have to train our minds to acknowledge the fact that these people that cause destruction and pain are human too. they are the same as us, exactely. we are them and they are us. by that i mean we all have within us the ability to do the same as they have done. once we realise that then and only then can we try to understand. these people believed one hundred percent that what they were doing was for the greater good. can you imagine that? in some moments i believe that it cannot have been easy for them to carry out the horendous acts which they did, they are human after all...... they are not monsters, merely a new breed of human almost, created by us. thats right us. a society where everyone is only out for themselves, grabbing what they can in mindless greed, not caring for the fellow human on the street , the dying baby, the homeless man who has no other choice but to look to drink for solstice. this is our creation and we must deal with it. it shouldn't have came as a surprise, this is where we are headed, this is who we are. don't get me wrong i no longer want to live in this world, and that was my first thought after watching the news a few days ago and see the madness going on and so many youthful lives being snatched away. but then i realised that i was a terrorist too. we all are. and what can we do? send light and positive energy, not cause suffereing for others, on whatever scale that might be. i know so many people that cause so much suffering on a smaller scale than this obviousely but still its there, its fed by the same thing. so when all else seems hopeless, live by example. be the change you want to see in the world. if we all did this then we wouldn't be seeing what we see on the news today....it would be so different. why can't you just do it!!!! and no, its not going to end in a big war, its ending in smaller wars....the time for fairness and integrity has gone, if we don't blow ourselves up first im sure the earth will do it for us. the world will never end.....human race will.... take this moment and please think of the victims, send light and love and keep them within your mind to remind you in the moments you need it. love everyone around you, theres too much hateful energy already. don't contribute to it too.....*sigh* namaste x x x
so true...let your fight agaisnt terrorsim be a fight against hypocrisy in your personal lives...if you wana see love in the world...then love it yourself and let love shine from your own life... nice one nommy! love luchi x
well said i just did a personality test which told me i was to be a leader then it gave me a what kind of leader are u so im Gandy or so the computer tells me which is ironic seeing im in india but im a bit dubios about this program cause it also told me to have 1000 children
I tried too view these monsters as people i truly did. I understand that they may have a cause and ...and feel passionate about it. But like what has been said (not sure of the accuracy) these 'people' raped and mistreated the captives by not allowing food or water. Why pick a school .. why take so much firepower ... they had no intention of comeing to any agreement with anybody. It is a tragic waste of life caught in something that they may have diffrent opinions on. The 'terrorists' showed no 'human' emotion whatsoever. I agree a little that society may have created the conditions wich these terrorist operate...but i think if you take people hostage , then your demands generaly are unreasonable. I realy can't put a humane face on these people i am afraid. I don't think excuses should be made for them. I can do that .......
As Far as I'm aware the only demand they made was that Russia stopped killing their people as they have been doing for a very long time, fair enough it's a pretty sick way to try and sort the situation out but I'd be surprised if they thought there was any other way... IMHO anyway
I can almost see holding hostages is a good bargaining tool..it rarely achieves anything but death but anyway...shooting kids in the back as they flee too their parents...what sort of evilness is that.
the way i see it.. its just people who enjoy thinking they can play god brainwash a load of ppl into thinking they are god.. or speaking in the name of god or some crap like that. people should just stop killing eachother. is there any reason for the russians to kill people. umm no.. is there any reason why anyone thinks its a good idea to go into a school and shoot loads of children.. ummmm not that im aware of.. was there any reason for sept 11 to happen.. no.... is there any reason for any of the crap thats goin down with mugabe... not at all. evry1 has there own little bit of the world.. let em keep it.. evry1 thinks their religion is best.. fine dont kill people in order to try and prove it. anyone who thinks that they can take the life of someone else for any reason other than euphenaisia(sp) is certainly not the same race as me.. so if these people are human.. then im from some distant planet and i sure hope i get transported back there soon.. coz earth sucks ass but it is quite pretty... in places
However much I despise and hate the wankers that did this I can't help but wonder what is different to the way our governments kill children? How many children have been blown to pieces by 'our' lot since WW2? Is there a difference between looking at the children face to face or dropping thousands of pounds of tnt on them from a great height? I do find the news coverage and outcry hypocritical. All the recent coverage is about 'Islamic' attrocities, but if Al-Jazzeera publish it from the other side then it's unacceptable. Bin Laden Bin Bush Bin Blair They're all the same shower of shites responsable for the deaths of our kids all across the world.
All the recent coverage is about 'Islamic' attrocities, but if Al-Jazzeera publish it from the other side then it's unacceptable most of the coverage Ive seen trys its hardest not to mention the real motivation ie islam. if its isreal they use terms like palestinian militant when most if not all the major groups main motivation is religous same with this attack its all chechen militants or fighters not jihadis the media also goes out of its way to find people who can show the careing side of islam even if they are not representative of the wider religion especially clerics but what strikes me is the lack of response from the islamic world or the usual its all the jews fault or the russians deserved it that most of the main players are as usual coming out with I listerned to a interview with jack straw today and you would have the impression that this has nothing to do with islam and that mohammed was like jesus or buddha
And there was me thinking it was about wealth and oil.....silly me. You really don't like these A-rabs much do you Jonny. Do you just long for a crusade?
I dont dislike arabs I dislike religion generally and I dislike islam in particular I dont think this dislike comes from not understanding the religion but the oppersite I have a lot of friends who dislike the religion too most of them are ex-muslim atheists we have the problem that groups like the bnp seem to be hiding racism behind a dislike for islam and trying to use that as a base to recruit for broader attacks against non-white people most of my ex-muslim friends and the leaders of us islamo sceptics are non white so we would not support the bnp but still we think its a good idea to speak out against islam , which most of us think is more of a threat than the far right I dont see a crusade at the moment except for the crusade thats coming from islam this crusade isnt just aimed against the west but all non-muslims worldwide what I do do myself is take every chance to examine the religion and try to take it apart atheists have mainly attacked christianity quite successfully I think our main target at the moment should be islam
Atheists have succesfully attacked Christianity.....mmmmm, ok , I can see George Bush cowering as you posted that, and the main target should now be Islam. So not third world poverty, the arms industry, the IMF and World Bank etc? All the symptoms of extreme religious fundamentalism as well as lack of education and literacy. Islam. Catchy, it certainly does go down well with our extreme right wing friends. Really. Funny that. So who are these vanguard of Islamo sceptics then?
well maybe Im being optimistic that logic can combat religon christianity seems to be on the ropes in the uk but it could be that we wont have the time for this to happen to islam I remember posting about al-queda operations in the uk just before sept 11 and I was told they wernt a real threat that the bnp were more dangerous can you think of a recent far right attack thats killed 3000 people do any far right nazi governments exist in the world today there are fundermentalist jihadi governments Iran being about top of the list and lots of governments that could join them do neo-nazis have nuclear weapons pakistan does and so will Iran in a couple of months ibn warriq ali sina taslima nasrin anwar shaikh oriana fellaci nonie darwish Homa Darabi http://www.infidels.org/infidels/newsletter/1999/may.html http://www.secularislam.org/Default.htm http://www.faithfreedom.org http://www.apostatesofislam.com/main.htm
Er, no not since the second world war. I can think of plenty of right wing attacks that SINCE the second world war have killed hundreds of thousands. With a rampant Bush on the loose on his grand money making crusades, I'm not suprised if other countries are pissed off and/or frightened. I don't see any difference between a far right government and say the Taliban. But I also see very little difference between a despot state that predominantly abuses its own people (and professes to want to take over the planet ) and another alleged democracy that endeavours to continually bomb another, keep it in the stoneage, and force its own western morals onto it, although forgetting to give adequate funding to help create a like and wealthy environment. For instance the worst bunch of bastards you have failed to mention are allies of America, the House of Saud. Is it not interesting that the Saudis, the Iraqis, the Iranians, the Taliban have call done business with America? All of whose people have seen no benefits to themselves? Religion is not the enemy of the people it's ignorance, greed, oppression all taught and refined in Western public schools to wankers like Bin Laden, Bush, Blair etc, etc, etc. It wasn't long ago the bogeyman was Russia, you and I are both old enough to remember that. Were you or I or any ordinary russian any different? Were we fuck. I didn't want to kill them anymore than they did I. Your scaremongering at this point in time will only help idiots like Bin Laden and Bush, who BOTH want everyone to be scared so we fight each other. Americas allies today will be their enemies tomorrow.
This world is just one great tragedy, but I think the difference is that this was close-range. These killers looked into the eyes of the children they killed.
Im not defending those wanker child murderers. Don't want to particually defend a religion either for that matter, but I'm sick of the hypocracy. People should see it for what it is. Your point is what I was on about earlier though. It seems it's ok to kill kids from thousands of feet up because you aren't looking in their eyes? I don't understand the logic behind that. All child killers are scum IMO whether they're fundementalist fuckwits from Chechnya or Simon St.John-Smythe from Hampstead dropping bombs from his jet. It's precisley the double standards in the world that are making the planet such a sick place. And people have the audacity to blame a particular religion etc when we should all be going FUCK OFF WE AREN'T LETTING YOU BASTARDS DO THIS TO US ANY MORE!!! Instead everybody takes sides and so it goes on....
