Why You Can't Call Me an Anti-Semite

I've never denied the Holocaust, I just have a problem with the historical accuracy vs modern research. Now that the dust has settled, we can see where we are better.

The only reason it even concerns me is because zionism has used the Holocaust as one of the selling points of zionism. They've profited from it.

To me, thats as bad as those who deny the event altogether.


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You're probably right. But I didn't think you were denying the halocaust - just highlighting the fact that there are those who do.
I think we need as straight an account of history as we can get - but its a tricky thing.

 

Actually I was talking to Elijah when I made this comment but your view could use some adjustment too.

Just because the numbers vary from one source to another, that doesn’t mean we should minimize what happened. Even if only one person was treated this way, it would be one too many. I think most people would agree far more than one person was abused in the camps.

The camps were real, the atrocities really happened and anyone who says different has not talked to anyone who was there.

If you want tell people that Zionism is the devil incarnate, fine but don’t try to minimize the Holocaust to do so.

 

x wouldn't be "minimizing" or belittling the Holocaust if it wasn't maximized/exaggerated in an inaccurate way in the first place.

I don't understand why emotional observation to the Holocaust is so encouraged, if you can't have the dualistic parallel of that, which is a logical observation.

either way, the fact is, people were oppressed because of their beliefs. that speaks for itself, 1 million or 6 million...so why lie?

 

Because right now, Israel is oppressing people in the name of a belief as well.

Just ask the mother of these children you see below.


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This is life under Israeli occupation.

Every day.



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Yes, the golden rule is not always applied when you are just trying to be helpful.

 

Do elaborate.


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I've been meaning to talk to you about that picture; I don't believe it shows what you think it shows. Ask yourself, why would a soldier confronting or if you will attacking this family be squatting on his haunches?

Next, if you will notice the gun only appears to be pointed at the family, it is actually pointed perpendicular to the family and away from them. Also you can clearly see the trigger and his finger is not on it or even near it.

It appears that the soldier has tried to make himself as nonthreatening as he can for soldier carrying a weapon.

Not to say that Israel is not opressing the people, most governments do, it's just this picture doesn't show it.

 

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make.

Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews and that is not a maximized/exaggerated, inaccurate or emotional statement, it is just a fact.

 

But is it really 'belief' thats behind it, or simply power politics which uses belief to justify its agenda? Do those zionists really believe their own BS, or is it just another little scam, similar to the 'christian' agenda of certain US & european politicians?

 

As you might imagine, I have considerably more graphic images along this line. This one is tame enough for the forum. I have pics of children with bullet holes in them too. Bullets from Israel and the USA.

While you may be the solidier in a squat position, the look on the kid's faces paints a picture. Its the kind of trauma they see everyday at the hands of the IDF.

They've seen it all their lives. They've seen their loved ones beaten and kicked and dragged out of their house in the middle of the night. They've seen the houses of people bulldozed.

They don't understand why they're hated.

I intend to tell the world why they are.



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This is the exact same beast that raises it's head every few decades.

Somebody wants to rule the world. The players change but the game has be ongoing since the beginning of history.

Right now its zionist Jews. And like their predecessors, they need to be stopped.

And perhaps for the first time in history, worldwide domination is a real possibility. Because of technology. But its not all technology. The religions of both Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are being woven into this agenda.

My prediction is they're not going to be able to control it.

But it means chaos in the world even if they fail.



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Additional images. Life under Israeli occupation.

http://www.pcdc.edu.ps/children_under_occupation.htm

http://www.palestineremembered.com/images/dailymail_humanshield.jpg

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive2004/february/aljazeerah_inf_feb2004_images_6.html


This is the Israel zionism doesn't want the west to see.

It's hardly the "holy land".

It's a zionist state, and life is pretty miserable if you're not a zionist.

We in the United States are supporting it.


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Oh I see; my Marxist possibility: the Jews want to look like American tough guys. Heck, Israel is only the state defended by the U.S.; at least in the 80's.

Actually, what the Oslo accord accomplished was some established peace agreement for Jerusalem being exclusively a Jewish legal reality, and the Palestinians having the right to their own policing. But since then it has been seen that only the higher classes can seem safe.

Also, Arafat died.

 

correct

that is what I was saying....such a statement speaks for itself, right?
so why tweak the numbers?

 

History needs to be accurate.

We owe it to future generations. They deserve the truth.


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China and Russia. Don't write them off so fast.... and in the not too distant future, India too.

China especially. The dragon is really only just awakening. They've never tried for world dominance before in history. They were content to feel safe in behind the wall. I think things are changing.

I think the west, zionism included, has had its day in the bigger picture.

 

And I thank you for the more tame picture.

I'm sure I could find some pictures as well of terrorist bombings in Israel that are unpleasant as well.

As for women and children being confronted, after Vietnam we know that women and children can carry bombs that can do as much damage as men.

As for the situation in the Middle East it is a complicated one with thousands of years of animosity on both sides. I don't really see how railing against Zionism will change that much. It’s mostly a feud between the two sides and will continue as long as the groups have a stomach for killing.

As for Zionism, it was defined as a movement to get a homeland for the “Jews”, now that they have that, it seems their only objective is to hold on to that homeland anyway they can, not much different than most countries. If I’m missing something about Zionism, please elucidate.

 

BBB,
Zionism has a presence in Russia, but because of racial friction, their voice is kept low. They're still very powerful. Medvedev himself is Jewish but not zionist.

China is a wild card, but they are likely to trade with whoever runs the world anyway. Their muscle is likely to be used to obtain resources for it's billion+ people. Russia is in danger from that someday. It's one of the world's great storehouses of fossil fuel and mineral weath.

Like China, India has many internal problems and isn't interested in anybody else's at the moment.

Its going to be a few years yet for them.

And its going to build a fire under the zionists to make things happen before they get that strong. They know the clock is now ticking.

We've been busy fencing in Russia ever since the fall of the USSR. Russia is fixing to break out of that fence.

This is what Israel fears, and the conflict in Georgia is just the tip of the iceberg.


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