Why You Can't Call Me an Anti-Semite

Basically, making peace between Muslims and Jews is at this point in time a North American present issue dealing with the knowledge and survival of family virtues which refer to less progress than at essential freedom in the status as valued education holds.

Values are essentially the security and well-being of the ignorant along with the intelligent.

That's all folks.

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Don't change the answers. Re-arrange the questions.

 

Religious zionists may live in such communities.

But I'm not talking about religious zionism.

Political zionism is a horse of a different color. These people are extremists, not your run of the mill religious Jews. They're militant, racist, and violent. They represent the elite of Jewish society, not the average person on the street. They also tend be be quite wealthy.

They control Israel, and to a large degree, our own federal government. All these "presidential advisors" you hear about...are taken from Washington think tanks that are loaded with zionists Jews partial to Israel. Our foreign policy has been written by them for the past several decades now.

That, is the main reason we have terrorists in our hair today. They're also responsible for the Iraq war in it's entirety.

Don't defend these people.

I understand your sensitivity towards Jews. But your comments point to an incomplete understanding of what political zionism actually is.

Read something a friend of mine recently wrote about it. He lives under Israeli occupation, and is treated worse than blacks were treated in the south.

His only crime was being born a Palestinian in apartheid Israel. Israel has killed several of his family members, forbids him to travel, and makes him live as an oppressed person under constant threat of arrest.

Nice place, this Israel.

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=47391




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From the ARTICLE: which is fine:
Essentially, Israel is not hated because of it's reality of being the source of humanity for the uncertain existence of God.

QUOTE: "Israel is hated because of her evil ideology and equally evil practices. A country whose birth and survival were and continue to be at the expense of another people is an evil country and has no right to exist."



I am a masochist. Ha, ha, ha,....

Now the meaning of Life. All weddings are in places trying to hide from God, from Jehovah. Ha, ha, ha, ha,...

Otherwise, we would be inhuman saints.

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Re-arrange the Question. The sinners knew the answer.

 

"A country whose birth and survival were and continue to be at the expense of another people is an evil country and has no right to exist."
Quoted from the article you cited above.

Let's, for the sake of the discussion, say that "Zionism" is the evil monster you say it is.

I guess my question is; what do you suggest?

How is this "Zionism" to be stopped?

How do we root out the seemingly strongly entrenched "Zionism" in the US and around the world? Black listing like the US did for "Communism", only world wide?

The above quote seems to suggest the dissolution of the nation of Israel, is that what you want? If so, what happens to the Israelis that live there now?

PS The above quote also applies to the US, so is the US to be dissolved and all US citizens that are not native to be removed to other countries and if so which countries? Also I’m about one hundredth Native American, will I be allowed to stay?

 

I've covered this ground many times before.

Zionism is best toppled by the Jews themselves. They're the ones who's core belief system has been corrupted by it.

If they fail, then the rest of the world will have to defend itself against whatever comes out of this philosophy.

Israel must be united or it has no future.



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Waterbrother: You're qouting me. Hey. These Anti-zionist arguments seem to hinge around the framework of discussing many pro-zionist points, i.e. the right to exist in the active sense of defending itself. An old intillectual anti-zionist argument is that the state of Israel is an off-shoot of something somewhat United States backed in the modern times. Or it could have been that Israel was guaranteed by the history of persecution of Jews around the world, and, I guess, two wrongs would make a right.


These arguments loose legitimacy after 9/11. The devil, as it were, made Zionism a new ballgame. Anti-zionism seem to be accessible for the infamous 'Jewsih Crusader'.

Fcuk me. I spelled that wrong.

Xexon, was that a fag wedding you were at in the first posts you made on this issue, named 'Do you stand with Israel?'

Seeming that Barrack Obama does, I'll have to too now.

Reverting back to Sadism.
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I change no questions. The final question remains the same.

 

It was a Stand with Israel organized event. Put on by my friend from Israel and another lady from Switzerland.

My friend is now a US citizen and her friend moved to Israel with her new husband.


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This is not ground that you have covered with me.

Sorry to have bothered you.

I just you might have some actual suggestions.

Dream on,
OWB

 

there were plenty of jews living in israel/palestine prior to 1948. therefore i don't see why the the british, the UN and Harry Truman thought it would be a good idea to interefere with the day to day happenings of that area. here is an alternative look at mideast affairs called current issues tv http://www.currentissues.tv/

 

Why did the British, the UN and Harry Truman think it was a good idea?

Just put yourself in their place, after a long hard fought war, with all the horror that war brings, they walk in to the concentration camps and all the horror of the war paled in comparison.

They wanted to do something, anything to try and make up for it, thus the idea of the nation of Israel, not to say it was a good idea but understandable none the less.

The problem now is we can’t go back in time and change it. The Israel of today is a fact and won’t go away easily. So what do you suggest?

 

i suggest we stop giving israel so much special priveledge and crack down as hard on them about nukes as we would any other middle eastern nation. how can you compare the deaths of one hundred and fifty million troops to the death of six million inmates? there's no comparison there, even though the international red cross never found six million bodies, let alone one million.

i smell a self fulfulling prophecy used to justify a rogue and apartheid state that is heavily involved in arms trafficking and sex slavery. i suggest that israel stop being a state based on jewish nationalism and give it's christian and muslim citizens an equal say in how it's government is ran. i suggest that israel stop governing itself by way of the babylonian talmud and start using the torah more. i also suggest that christian zionist stop trying to justify israel's existence based upon a prophecy most jews don't beleive has yet to occur. i also suggest that israel do away with the law of returns, i also suggest that israel be more cooperative and extradite international fugitives who take refuge inside there. by it's own laws the modern state of israel is not obligated to extradite fugitives to other countries, no matter how appaling of a crime they commited.

the bottom line is that country and it's inhabitants get more special treatment than most nations on earth do. we certainly wouldn't let persians or arabs get away with attacking the uss liberty. we didn't give saddam hussein special treatment, even after iraq refused to let UN weapons inspectors in. when Israel refuses to allow UN weapons inspectors in to look around. they raise hell about it.

 

Thank you for answering my question about what you would suggest.

As for the above quote, yes, there is no comparison, the 150 million troops that died, most died with rifles in their hands and as soldiers in a war, where as the Jews were being exterminated, starved and gassed and burnt in ovens. Even the first hand accounts of soldiers who had witnessed the horrors of war, said that when they entered the concentration camps it turned their stomachs.

I don't know about you but I have visited a concentration camp and even after 20 years you could still smell burnt human flesh.

As for the number of bodies found, toward the end of the war the ovens were going night and day, it's hard to count bodies when all you have are ashes.

Also it is interesting that you use the word inmates as if the Jews in the concentration camps were guilty of some crime other than just being Jews.

 

well they were declared enemies of the reich because a large number of jewish organizations here in the states and in europe declared economic warfare on germany before world war 2 even began. they had ovens to dispose of bodies that had been stricken with typhus. as far as gas chambers go, rooms with doors that have air leaks in them don't make very good gas chambers. it's very unlikely zyklon b could have been used so close to ovens running constantly day and night. becase zyklon b has a flash point of about seventy degrees farenheit. imagine what would happen if this gas were exposed to temps high enough to cremate bodies. an explosion would most definately occur.

the thing about bones is they don't burn to ash, ask anyone who works at a crematorium. they would have had to have crushed the bones in order to get rid of them, yet no bone crushing machines were ever found. nor have any of the camps ever been excavated to verify that millions more bodies are beneath the soil. at auswhitz supposedly bodies are still below the ground, yet the camp used a well as it's source of water. it would have thus contaminated the water. i find it hard to believe with as many scientists, inventors and enginers as germany has under it's belt. that they wouldn't have taken these factors into account.

many of the inmates starved to death because allied forces had destroyed vehicles which were to bring in supplies, including food. it's pretty obvious typhus, starvation, torture and manual execution with firearms were the most common causes of death at these camps. not homocidal gas chambers. they never found any actual documents detailing a master plan to ethnicly cleanse european jewry. at the time germany was one of the world's most advanced and well trained militaries. so the chances of such a master plan being spread only by word of mouth is not very likely at all.

the main reasons the camp inmates were there was for labor related reasons. think about it, why would someone using others for slave labor want to kill the slaves off? that would have been like slave owners in the old south killing off those who they considered to be valuable property to them that they paid good money for. what's very strange is that this historical event was brought to the awareness of the world in a february 1943 issue of reader's digest magazine. the odd thing about all that is, this article in question threw around the number of six million. it's odd because this event in question according to orthodox history hadn't happened yet. and also because at that present time the main chambers of aushwitz were being constructed still and this was during the middle of the war mind you. this article had been written by a man named ben hecht, ben hecht was a hollywood script writer, you can even find his name on this webpage here and his list of hollywood acomplishments.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0372942/

i'm curious as to how he could have had such information on all this when none of this supposedly even happened until later on down the road. how could he have predicted six million jewish deaths, before such a thing even happened?

 

Now you're beginning to understand the Holocaust Industry. They have an interest in keeping the the original "historical" numbers high, even in light of modern evidence that suggest otherwise.

It's a good money maker, and it keeps the Jewish identity alive in the public mind.

Has nothing to do with Judaism itself.


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I've known non-jews that were in the camps and I can tell you for a fact that your view of the camps is way off. Try talking to someone who was there.

 

I'd just like to interject here that even if the crimes of the NAZIs have been exaggerated in terms of numbers of Jewish victims, and no matter how bad the Israelis may be, we should in no way let that lead us to conclude that Hitler wasn't so bad.
WW II was arguably the biggest disaster humanity has yet faced, and the NAZIs were a threat to any kind of decent future for humanity. Thoroughly insane and evil.

 

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/10/24/dnt.hit.jew.day.ksdk

 

I think this issue goes further than the camps. As the second world war dies out of living memory, it will become easier for those who want to dostort and rewrite history, mainly to whitwash the nazis, to do so.

I used to work for a gentleman who had been a prisoner of war in Germany, after being shot down as a pathfinder over Hamburg during a raid. Members of my own family were involved, and my aunt's fiancee was killed in the battle of britain. So for me the war was certainly a reality, and in fact looking back, I can see how my own childhood was lived quite close to its shadow.
For people of my age who met quite a few survivors of the war, obviously so called 'world-war II deniers' have very little kudos or credibility. I fear that may not be so with younger people, and even less so with suceeding generations.
I give as little credence to halocaust deniers. Mainly they have their own far-right agenda.

 

My view in not way off. Its the modern view, and its based on the evidence that has come forward since the orginal figures were released.

Case in point, Auschwitz.

For many years the death toll was thought to be 4 million people. This has since been revised downward to 1.5 million. Thats a pretty BIG discrepancy.

http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/html/eng/aktualnosci/news.php?rok=2005
In the grey paragraph.

Now, this is only one example. This kind of inaccuracy was used freely in the formation of Israel.

The deception continues to this day.

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Still, 1.5 mill. is no joke.

Myself, I tend to blame the British in large degree for the creation of the present situation. It's a complex issue, but deals were made, as you are no doubt aware with both sides when it suited the vested interest of the imperialists. The Arabs were IMO stabbed in the back by the brits.

I deplore Israeli atrocities and crimes as much as I deplore those of anyone, but I don't think that's a good reason to doubt the very real and horrendous anti jewish acts of the Nazis, and of course, the man who really saved us eurpopeans from them, Stalin.