why isnt mdma as addictive as meth/coke/heroin?

i guess that it, the only reason is biological and chemical... heroin works on opiod receptors but does it have any effect on dopamine?

 

Your posts are infecting things.

 

the binding of heroin to the opiod receptors is what releases the dopamine.

 

Hey well i think ecstasy isn't that addictive because its a more natural high
having to do with your serotonin. E gives you a feeling that your brain is capable of feeling without it. As for other drugs I guess you can say they aren't such a natural feeling that your mind is capable of feeling without it.
Ecstasy for me is a blissful drug and anyone can feel this with out using it.

 

heroin is the most natural and least toxic of all three of them. The thing with heroin is it causes physical withdrawal which is significantly less in the other three. MDMA is not really a natural high at all, it actually has shown to be neurotoxic in sufficient doses, and it certainly floods the brain with way more serotonin than anti depressants.

 

MDMA is not physically addictive like tobacco and heroine. There is no withdrawal symptoms so there is no real urge or craving to do MDMA

 

Cocaine is technically not physically addictive, yet it is far more addictive than MDMA, so what you're saying is not entirely correct

 

If anything is abused enough there is bound to be psychological effects such as a false sense of dependency. MDMA can be abused like that too. But if someone can't trust themselves to be responsible with drugs they shouldn't take them. I smoke weed every single day, but sometimes I go for weeks without any without any withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. There is a huge difference between real addiction and psychological dependency.


Put that in a line and snort it....

 

If you're saying that psychological dependency isn't a real addiction, you're completely wrong. You're right that anything CAN be abused, but it's pretty obvious how cocaine seems to be so much more addictive than MDMA, despite neither of them being physically addictive. Just look around you. Am I right or what?

Cocaine releases tons of dopamine, which is what makes it addictive. Sure, it doesn't cause a withdrawal, but you'll crave it way more than MDMA, LSD, shrooms, etc, because those don't (or barely) affect dopamine.

Like I said earlier, dopamine is your body's way of telling you you did the right thing, which is what separates addictive substances from non-addictive substances. Physical addiction is a completely different story.

 

sheepie is absolutely right

Put that in your pipe and smoke it drrrrrrrrrr......

 

Some people just lack self control. It has nothing to do with the substance itself. There are millions of people in the world who could do coke on a regular basis and then quit no problem. Plenty of things release dopamine, sex for example, it is not really addictive, some just like it more than others and can't control themselves.
People just label it an "addiction" because they can't accept they are just weak. Plus because of its effects, coke is the perfect drug for a weak person which explains this "addiction".

 

Some people do lack self-control, you're right about that. It's not ALL about the substance. However, the substance does play a huge role. I'm not doubting the amount of people who do coke on a regular basis and are not addicted, but when comparing coke to serotonergic drugs, like LSD or E, the difference is staggering.

Sex? Yeah, it releases dopamine. Tell me, when was the last time you jacked one? Probably not too long ago. What was the longest you ever went without jacking off or having sex? It doesn't release nearly as much dopamine as coke, which explains why your not going out and raping people (I hope).

Do you think sex would be addicting if it felt 15 times better? You'd probably rather jack off than eat if that were the case. And imagine if it was as easy as snorting a line! How convenient!

Also, eating and drinking releases dopamine, lots of it. Do you find it addictive?

That's extremely closed-minded. I doubt you would have the willpower to quit if you were in their shoes.

Out of curiosity, have you ever done coke?

 

lulz.

Did you just say cocaine doesn't cause withdrawals?

 

Oh god!! WOW! Yes I have like 6 friends that never call me anymore because they are all addicted to freakin' WoW and I don't play.

 

You should give it a try some time. It's fun.

 

Yes.

 

I have actually done a lot of coke, it used to be my weekend thing until LSD changed my outlook on life. And to be honest you make a really good point there and I stand corrected' and I apologize.

But another reason I think people get this coke "addiction" is because it is so short term of a high compared to MDMA, It is easier to go about your day taking a bump every so often than it is to do that with MDMA without being really obvious that your on drugs. People end up taking it so often that they rely on it as a part of their day-to-day routine... It is difficult to change a routine you like so much. Like nail-biting.

 

^ Meth can last longer than mdma. Heroin is about the same length. Salvia is much shorter than cocaine, yet not as addicting

You bring up some valid points regarding personality traits and what not but its hard to deny some aspects of the pharmalogical action these drugs have on the brain and furthermore it supplies legitimate answers to the op's original question that are thorough and sufficient.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine_dependence#Mechanism_of_dependence

Cocaine causes various long term chemical changes, which necessitate the use of more cocaine to even hit baseline normal. It's true that you don't build a physical dependance in the sense that cocaine comes to replace chemicals or chemical triggers, like with opiates, but it is still addictive. When a chronic user stops with coke, as I expect you know, they tend to go through a short (by comparison to other withdrawals) period of violently excreting anything they might eat through any available orifice and generally thinking they will die, on par with withdrawals caused by other chemical means.

(I realize some people can blow a few lines every now and then and never crave it. I can smoke a pack a day and go cold turkey with no problem, some people can play with opiates and never crave them. These are still addictive substances)

 

Definitely, I'm not disagreeing with you. It's just the fact that physical addiction MEANS there is a withdrawal. You can have the most addictive substance WITHOUT a withdrawal. That was my point. Read my argument with the other guy for more info

Physically addictive = withdrawal