Why Islam is disrespected

OK, I will analyze parts of the article and convey how I interpreted it as pro-war and as one-sided.

Jewish extremists have murdered innocent Arabs in retaliation for their Intifada. Jewish soldiers have deliberately shot at Palestinian civilians and protesters. But in Mr. Jacoby's twisted head, this is somehow justifiable or maybe he denies it. "It didn't happen."

Steal Buddhist holy lands, occupy their territories, humiliate families, then we will see how "peaceful" they are.

Mr. Jacoby sounds like a Holocaust denier. "It didn't happen."

Right. They just attack civilians with napalm, as Israel did to Lebanese a couple of decades ago.

There are plenty of rabid rabbis in the semi-theocratic state of Israel. Mind you, I support Israel.

How about the 10,000+ killed in the unjust war? Mr. Jacoby conveniently ignores this. His selective reporting of facts implies support for the war.

Mr. Jacoby expects Muslims to be docile and accept their slaughter without putting up any resistance.

Right. Muslims should be angry at the terrorism committed by the poor and downtrodden, but not against the U.S. for 10,000+ killed needlessly and based on lies.

Mr. Jacoby's shoddy and biased reporting is truly disgraceful. He should be fired for his simple-minded views. At least other neocons are more clever.

 

Again, I've posted the entire, original article by someone else who started this thread to bring late-comers up to date about the fact that this posting is NOT about the WAR IN IRAQ. At All. It's about the "so-called desecration of a Koran" which was never proven to have happened & was likely a rumor. But because Islam does not channel its zeal well, when it involves religious icons, Muslims wound up killing 17 innocent people over an unfounded rumor. Whoever cooked up the non-story that was unfortunately reported by major news outlets, obviously pandered to the character of the savagery they knew would insue, since it was lurking just below the surface of their own evil heart as well.

Actually, that comment presents a very confused opinion of Christianity & its points are self-contradicting. What is it about that opinion that I find worthy? Nothing. It seems to be lecturing Christians from the standpoint of someone who doesn't respect their Religion; ignoring the topic at hand of which the article below was posting #1; mistaking the breadth & the liberal nature of the flow of the preponderance of the discussion; and unfortunately smelling a feeding frenzy someone has entered into it completely misdirected. Your point is not being discussed here.

 

What makes you think I have to be talking about whatever the fuck your talking about in order to post a reply to this thread?
I wasnt even talking about the article, im talking about peoples blatant disrespect for Islam that has JUST became HUGE sense 9-11... and peoples idiotic comments about wanting to harm muslims.
which is not very christian... arent christians supposed to be about forgiveness?

I have respect for what jesus is supposed to represent, I dont have respect for his hypocritical followers who like to pretend they are like jesus, yet never seem to capture his real essence and what he was trying to do on earth.

 

What you don't get is that Mr. Jacoby is guilty by omission. He criticizes protests that are related to the current "war on terrorism" (not to mention an insurrection), without discussing the root of the protests. He oversimplifies the situation in Iraq by diverting attention from the issues. He is guilty of precisely what you say exonerates him.

 

That's because most Christians are concerned about the rewards (getting into Heaven) they think they can get than in the ethics that Jesus taught. Many of them fear death too.

They confuse fanaticism with morality.

 

Again, i wasnt replying to skycanvas or giving a fuck whatever the fuck he says, i was replying to shakezulla and the subject "Why islam is disrespected" which couldnt be better fitting.

 

Pat Robertson and Billy Graham didn't waste any time capitalizing off the 911 attack and using it to paint Islam as an evil religion.

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Islam is the only religion that spawn bomb-belt martyrs, even when they're not dying for Allah, they will bomb people because they party and have a good life unlike them, brainwashed beasts.
*I* wouldn't do all that crazy shit. So, no, they aren't like me and I don't think they're like you either. I think you should have paid more attention to skycanvas' wisdom.
I think the nuke thing was an ovverreaction, but maybe your country could carpet bomb them everytime there's a terrorist bomb ?
Because nobody's invading them it's not like US soldiers are Drunk Viking Pillagers, Nazis, etc. The US want to bring democracy.
It still think our country is right because their place is not worth a civilized man's life.
Plus the war thing alignate with their belief. They're happy to fight the djihad.

And don't forget that they confuse manifestations for an excuse for murderous rampage.

 

Oh please, that is such bullshit... where do people get this shit from? the amount of muslims that are actual terrorists are the small minority... you cant label them all as martyrs... they ARE like us... they are only human, t hey want the same things for their families as we do... they just want to live and be free like we do... but they cant be free when they are being killed. The only difference between muslims and us, is that they have a different culture, and think differently than us.

Not just an overreaction, it was completely disrespectful, ignorant, and just plain sick and disgusting. Definitely not christ-like.

No one is invading them? Are you nuts? If this isnt invasion, id ont know what is... They are going over there with tanks, the latest weaponry and slaughtering people who have pre-vietnam era weaponry... anyone who picks up a gun and fights the invaders of their country... how can a country that is not a democracy bring democracy to a country? We live in a republic, which is very different from Democracy, yet we like to spout the word democracy off like its some curse word. Have you looked into all the military scandles going on in Iraq... we might not be drunk viking pillagers, but its not like there is no instance of abuse, rape, plain sick fucked up things happening.

You are a blind, blind man... you honestly are going to sit here and say that all muslims think this way... that is freaking insane... Most muslims hate war just as much as most every intelligent person does... they dont want to have to fi ght in some jihad against the most powerful nations... it's suicide... they just want to live their lives without having to worry about being killed, much like us... except the difference is they are actually being killed by the thousands, while we just shit our pants in fear over 1 terrorist attack on our soil, they have events like 9-11 happen every single day... if that wont spark some animosity, blind hatred toward us... than i dont know what will... but you simply cant label all muslims as this, evil terrorist jihadist people that are hellbent on destroying and killing us because we are different than them... there are muslims like that, but they arent t he majority... its like saying all christians are psycho fucks like Pat Robertson, when we know that's not the truth. You guys dont even know muslim culture, chances are you've done nothing to study it... and you dont evne know many muslims... maybe if you did you would think before you write such stereotypical bullshit... No one deserves to be bombed, or nuked.

 

The first quote below is such sobbing, bleeding heart blind liberal dribble it's shameful. It sounds like the Fall of the Roman Empire: "Are we mice or are we men?" Blacks were brought here as slaves & they are not allowed to riot & kill people. You are selfrighteously exonerating violence as well, purporting that revenge should be considered acceptable mere mention of the drop of a Koran. According to your logic, if I'm Jewish or Polish should I be allowed to kill Germans? Hitler killed Jews & Poles.

In what way were you responding to Shakezulla?

Just like my forefathers did not own slaves, I did not kill Muslims in the Crusades. So what right do they have to reek vengeance on this present generation? I'd sooner assume that forgiveness is not part of the Islamic religion, since Christ preached forgiveness. But you only have to forgive people if they are sorry. He said: "Whose sins ye shall forgive, they are forgiven them, whose sins ye shall retain they are retained." You, as an individual have the power to forgive & must forgive those who are truly sorry as you expect to be forgiven. But we are not required to cast our pearls before swine nor lavish forgiveness on those who are not at all sorry & until they are. Tough love. It's the same with kids. People misinterpret that all the time. God's not stupid. Forgiving is showing mercy--and if they deserved it, that wouldn't be mercy.

I am stating here & now that I am not pro-Iraq War & never have been. I'm not a Political-Evangelical who are rabidly pro-Israel which though this country is, I am not.

Mark Twain, who happened to be Jewish, said "there is nothing wrong with true Christianity, but so few people have ever tried it." I don't even go to church, but you can balance that with the preacher who tried to get the other guy to go to church. The other guy said, ah, naw--there are too many hypocrites there. So the preacher says, "Well then one more won't matter!"

Hell is only for the very worst. And Hell is not forever. And if you don't even know how to get to Heaven, how can you be sending people to Hell? I can't claim I know that. You sort of reek of this presumptuous 'view from the pompous head' attitude where you are not one of them, but you are somehow superior to them at the same time. But if you've never tried to live it, how would you even know how hard it is or how much each individual tries?

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Which is why it's common sense to quote whoever you ARE talking so the thread will maintain continuity & make sense to people who are both following along or come through later.

I pose the same question in return. Are YOU a Christian? You certainly claim to know everything that's wrong with them. Does that qualify you to know what's right? I lived & worked in Muslim Countries for five full years. I still have many Muslim friends.

I don't think you have any idea about what Jesus is supposed to represent. As an 8 year old Grade School kid studying a Catechism Book I would not think so either, because I was wiser then that you are now. Anybody who would post a blasphemous thing like your stuff does not respect Jesus Christ or have any idea what He is supposed to represent.

Even if Jesus never had one follower, that would not make him a liar. What exactly was His real essence to you? Do you even know what you are talking about in this statement? Give us some secret insight that only you know. It's already written.
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That's a rash generalization. It's irrational to make a blanket statement like that claiming no Christians ever act like Jesus. Are you God or can you read the thoughts & intents of peoples' hearts? You certainly don't act like Him so I guess that's how you think you know how other people should not act. Why not work on yourself.

As Shakespeare said, "If thou canst to thine own self be true; thou canst not be false to any man!"

That's completely untrue. It's impossible to be perfect. It's impossible to keep the whole law. That's why we needed Jesus to bring grace & truth. But if we do what we can then God'll do what we can't. We're only human.

You must believe in the Resurrection, in order to know the Savior. Your last quote is like those Christian Bumper Stickers. That doesn't mean those people are Christians at all. I bet Bush has got a whole bumper full of them.

You are sending polarized & mixed messages, contradictions in terms, obvious basic flaws in doctrine. So, I'd strongly doubt that. But, although you have only a vague idea, you ought to ask Him to reveal Himself to you if He is real. I've known many people who have had that prayer answered. That is if you have the guts to do it. If you sincerely want to know the truth, "Ye shall know the Truth & the Truth shall set you Free."

Tsk-tsk! Selfrighteousness is the worst of all sins. Now let's not act like people accuse God of being--sending people to Hell on a whim...

Chill out... It's the Memorial Day Weekend. :H

 

Where? I never exonerated Jacoby. I skimmed the article you posted a couple of times, and you saying he is a Zionist & aligned with Christian Fundamentalist causes; so I consider myself completely in the opposite camp, if that is the case. I strongly disapprove of the Fundamentalist Christian Right, Republican Political Pandering, God & Country Movement. That means they are rabidly Pro-Jewish-State & for stamping out the Palestinians. They believe in the Restoration of the Biblical Kingdom of Zion from back in the days of Solomon's Israel & are just plain nuts because so many nations rightfully share the area for thousands of years since then.

I support the Palestinian cause from way back & think the Jews are terrorists in attacking them & building settlements on their lands. A little known fact that Palestinians are both Christian & Muslim. The Jews were persecuted by Hitler, but now that they are rich & fat & increased with goods, they want it all for themselves, even if they have to operate like the Nazis to get it. I'm not antisemetic per se since I am of Polish decent & sympathize with the atrocities of the past. (The Polish never ask for any sympathy & Hitler marched in & killed 100,000 of the elite officers & intelligensia of the Country. I guess that is why I was always hearing stupid Polish jokes since I was a kid.)

But nations change their tune when they get rich & have the blanket protection of America. When Israel goes against our wishes, we hardly can say anything. For one we'd be called anti-Jewish & they've milked that plenty & actually passed laws against it in France & throughout Europe. You can get jailed. One author was jailed for saying there was no Haulicaust, which there was, of course. Others insist there were not even anywhere near that many Jews in Europe at that time so that the Nazis could have exterminated 6 million of them. I don't know about the numbers. There are remains of the haulicaust so that's true. The Allies went in & personally liberated many of the camps after Hitler fell.

I just think if they get carte blanc to murder the Palestinians that they are taking the Haulicaust sympathies way too far. Other nations have had the same: Throughout Africa & look at Cambodia (Kampuchea) & Pol Pot killing millions there. Watch the movie Killing Fields. I don't see Cambodians making Schindlers' List movies. Of course they don't have Steven Spielberg doing their propaganda for them. That's another reason why the government in the US is pro-Israel: The influence of Hollywood on the media, mass mentality & election donations. There are not even that many Jews in the US but the posts that they hold are the most influential, usually having to do with Media. Like Seinfeld said, "How many Jewish farmers do you know?"

 

How did I say anything insinuating that? In fact, I didn't... which is why i think you dont have any idea what you are talking about... because I never said that revenge was alright... I simply said that muslims arent after revenge... and gave reason to why those who are after revenge were... i never said I supported those fanatic muslims who are after revenge... i simply think that they dont exist... they are the extreme minority... a lot of them that do exist, are put there by society... much like the hitler youth.. and we dont blame Benedict for being in the hitler youth nowndays becuase it was something he was kinda forced into... i'de never support violence, unless it was in self defense.

I was responding to "why islam is disrespected" and my view as to why

This whole argument exists to perpetuate the idea that all muslims want to kill our "present generation", which isnt true at all.
forgiveness = To renounce anger or resentment against

Plus, there are more holy books out there that depict jesus in different ways than just the bible.

Thats good.

I would argue that there is no such thing as true christianity, and the premise of christianity (to be like jesus christ) is impossible.

It's called sarcasm. Regardless of how much a person "tries" they are chasing something that is impossible. But that isnt even the point I was making... I wasnt making points against christianity I was debunking this Muslim stereotype that seems to be going on in this thread that they are all evil and want to kill us all, which is not true.

No im not christian (duh)... like i said im not debating christianity.. i just made an observation of christians acting very hypocritical to what they are supposed to believe... when they start advocating violence towards muslims, just makes me shake mah head.

And have your muslim friends tried to slaughter you? Were they after your blood, and constantly spoke of Jihad and wanting to destroy everyone who wasnt like them...? Hell no. I have muslim friends too, and they are very nice people... and when people start going off on how all muslims are evil and trying to kill us all, and how we should bomb them... shouldnt be too hard to figure out why that would piss me off.

Lol.. What have I posted that is blasphemous? You don't know me, or how much I know about the bible or jesus christ.. You do not know enough about me or what I know/study what my beliefs are to make these broad, arrogant assumptions.

First of all, why do you keep on bringing up jesus, when my main intention was to talk about people bashing islam and not to bring up christianity. Second of all, when did I say there was anything I knew about jesus/christianity that anyone else didnt know? Your lack of understanding is what creates your ignorance. The teachings of jesus do not advocate violence or intolerance towards muslims... ANYONE could have told you that... My point wasnt that there is some magical thing i know about jesus that no one does... its just the simple fact that christians dont practice what they preach... they will go off talking about love and acceptance, forgiveness and the like, while being assholes advocating violence and intolerance.

You don't even know me well enough to make assumptions as to what kind of person I am in my life. The last person I would take suggestions to better myself from, would be a person who advocates such blind stereotypes, and claims we should nuke any area on the map. But again, your entire post is about christianity, and the fact you dont like my views on christians or my different view and take on the bible and jesus and what he was trying to do.
Which is funny, because this thread or my post isnt even about jesus.

I dont think people should act any one way... and I dont think there is any one way people should act... people should follow their own path instead of following their idols.. Trying to control someone or tell them how to act is wrong, even immoral, IMO.

Well obviously we are going to have different opinions on what jesus was trying to bring to the world and what his intentions were, because I am an atheist who takes the bible extremely relatively, even doubting the existance of jesus entirely... but if he did exist at one time, reading what was supposed to come out of his mouth, if that were true... i would say that mostly no one is like him... and im not telling anyone to be perfect, or that anyone should be exactly like jesus... i just think its funny that those who see jesus as this idol figure that they should mimic, that they'd at the same time go off spouting such intolerant violent crap about others who think differently... or even be so rash to those who differ in opinions from them...

As far as im concerned, the only way to know how jesus might have been is to read what is supposedly quotes and words from jesus and observations from people who knew him.
That's what I base my belief on what jesus was bout on.
Im not in any means a christian but I think jesus was a fascinating man with good intentions, altho I dont believe he is the son of god, a savior, or even believed in god the same way as people these days do..

hahahaha... Please, I am not hear to listen to some christian preach to me about how I should pray to jesus and let him in my life... I've tried that already... The only "flaws" in my doctrine that you see are only flaws because my doctrine isnt the same as yours... just because we dont have the same doctrine doesnt mean either of us are any right than another... but here we go again, this entire post has been about jesus, when that wasnt even my intention to start some debate about christianity and jesus.

You are calling me selfrighteous? Well that is funny.
When I sentenced you to eternal hellfire, I hope to god you know i was being sarcastic...

Why did I reply to this? Debating about jesus is fucking lame.
I thought you might actually offer a difference in opinion about what this post was actually about -- islam... but all I see here is some christian claiming that I dont know jesus as well as he does... Ooooh, wow. That's something new on the forums.

 

No, again, before you were drawn to this discussion, I keep repeating that this POST started with an article about How Muslims killed 17 people when the Media printed that somebody in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba might have desecrated their holy book. And that begins this thread.

The Column quoted in the first posting did not involve the War in Iraq (which I am also against) although that would be a worthy thread for another posting. Why don't you start one?

Muslims are disrespected because their religion does not forbid violence against infidels. That would be you & me sister & everybody else who does not get in their little corner on god.

You're Damn right I am defending Christianity —that's my religion. Nobody else is. Atheism is your Religion & you are preaching it loud & clear. But I'm not killing anybody. The nuke thing was a quote which I did not think up. Haven't YOU ever heard of sarcasm? Christianity & Buddhism were part & parcel to that article, which you seem to find pleasure in ignoring ("Oh, Gee-whiz—how did Christianity & Buddhism get into this debate?) & trying to take this conversation off in another direction. READ-THE-ARTICLE!

I am also defending Buddhism because I was also one at one time & it is the other religion mentioned in that Column in question. I have lived peacefully amongst Buddhists for some time & find it is more of a liberal philosophy than a religion & that the people are very fair & loving. You're bashing one religion while exonerating the most violent one on the face of the earth right now. So I get to talk about mine & how little of an expert you are on it just misleads this debate & does not help it focus on the topic of concern.

I'd take the Buddhists for their non-violent & happier approach to living in place of the religion that does not separate itself from it's own violent element by showing up in protest (Read: Why is Islam disrespected column—duh—gee, why? I dunno...) against terrorism in their midst is one that tolerates even if they (islamic moderates) do not participate in that violence.

Despite the misguided & greedy Crusades of the mid centuries that did NOT represent the true Christ, I think Christians have evolved. I have not seen that in a vast majority of Muslims. Look at what Al Jezira, their TV station broadcasts. Inflammatory, pro-Jihad rhetoric. My friends among them are progressive & often attacked by the vast majority of retro-Islamics who want to send the world back to the dark ages by tearing down 'the great Satan.'

If you see violence in Northern Ireland, these are not True Christians, but there is Politics at the roots & squabbling between Religions & Countries. If you hear of a Pedophile in a Church or School or Scouts these are Wolves hiding in sheep's clothing & not what they appear to be. Let's not call them Sheep since they are obviously howling as loud as you or I can hear them howl. So I think the problem is equating the hypocrites with the real thing, so then you think it's all hypocritical. Which may be why you think it is impossible to live it or visa versa.

"I could be a Redneck about as easily as I could be a Lesbian."

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What makes you think I was replying to the article, Like I said I was talking about muslims being disrespected and stereotyped... I didnt read the first few pages of replies, or you and lsdseeker going back and forth and back and forth... i was making observations i never even brought up the damn article.

That doesn't mean they all want to harm us... and there are different sects of islam with different beliefs.

Why the fuck do you keep on bringing up the article when I never mentioned the article.

Im not bashing one religion, i bash all religions equally, everyone who knows me knows that. I was pointing out what is hypocritical about christians, and that the stereotypes about muslims that have been going on round this thread were untrue.
I agree what ye say about buddhism though... and like i said earlier you dont know me well enough to know how much I know about "how little of an expert i am on it"
You are a wannabe jesus so of course you wouldnt think such a heathen atheist would know anything about Jesus...

It depends on what sect of islam you are talking about. The ones that have joined the jihad against the rest of the world are the minority... The muslim world shouldn't have to take such bullshit from the rest of the world. Muslim bashing is the new trend among people these days, this is just more of it.

Wrong use of the term evolved, but dont worry... i expect that sort of thing from christians.

I read aljazeera online a lot, and it's not that pro-jihad or inflammatory, i think you are stretching it out... It's biased towards their viewpoints... but I wouldnt call it pro-jihad at all. Christians have improved sense the crusades, because instead of kings waging the wars we have presidents doing these things... and now the religious right are the ones who elect these presidents... kind of similar, but not entirely... not a true representation of all christians... Still I would say that to be christlike is impossible.

Exactly... what is this "real thing" you speak of...

Lucky man.

Another reply about jesus.


Muslims arent after our throats constantly, only the small minority are terrorists... the rest are good people... they arent all thinking about murdering the infidels... they are human like the rest of us... they realize that waging war on the rest of the world is suicide, and that its impossible to literally kill all the infidels... they just want to live their lives without being attacked by christian nations... and yes, america is a christian nation.

 

I see now that's one thing that attracts some to not believing in anything. Then they simply cannot be pinned down on any issue. You can squirm out of just about anything if you stand for nothing at all. They're protected on these 'free speech' forums because they can bash Jesus all they want. But by claiming to be an atheist you have no god but You. So if they bash you, you can go running to the moderators. Not selfrighteous? That's the very epitome. I know my conscience wouldn't allow me to slip out the back like that on every subject that I don’t want to deal with...

 

It's not getting any better:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8006012/

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International News
Anti-U.S. rallies erupt over handling of Quran
From Asia to Mideast, Muslims protest alleged desecration

Darko Bandic / AP
Sunni Muslim clerics hold copies of the Quran, Islam's holy book, during a demonstration in front of the U.S. Embassy in Aukar,*on the outskirts of Beirut, on Friday.
The Associated Press
Updated: 12:32 p.m. ET May 27, 2005
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Thousands of Muslims marched Friday in Islamic countries from Asia to the Middle East, burning symbols of America to protest the alleged desecration of the Quran by military personnel at a U.S. prison in Guantanamo, Bay, Cuba.

The rallies in Pakistan, Egypt, Lebanon, Indonesia, Malaysia and elsewhere followed an admission Thursday by U.S. investigators that Islam’s holy book was mishandled at Guantanamo. But American officials claimed it was often inadvertent and denied that any Qurans were flushed down a toilet, as Newsweek magazine had reported in a now-retracted article.

No injuries were reported in Friday’s demonstrations, with police simply watching in most places. In India’s Kashmir region, however, police fired tear gas and used batons to disperse hundreds of Muslims gathered outside a mosque in the capital of Srinagar.

Copies of U.S. constitution, flags set ablaze
Women in black veils marched through Kashmir, where schools and businesses were closed as part of the protest, and set American flags and copies of the U.S. Constitution ablaze.

“The defilement of our holy book is outrageous because we consider it to be the word of God,” thundered Asiya Andrabi, head of the women’s group Daughters of the Community, through her veil. “Guantanamo Bay is a cage. It is not a prison.”

More than 15,000 people took to the streets of Pakistan’s largest cities. A demonstration in the capital of Islamabad began in a tense atmosphere, just hours after a bomb at a Muslim shrine killed at least 20 people at an annual celebration. The motive for the suspected suicide bombing was not immediately clear.

“We condemn sacrilege of the Quran by U.S. extremists,” read one banner draped across a bus while protest leaders chanted into loudspeakers during a rally of at least 2,000 in Islamabad.

In Pakistan’s southwestern city of Quetta, 5,000 demonstrators chanted slogans against the United States and Britain. Another 5,000 gathered in the southern city of Karachi, demanding the expulsion of the U.S. ambassador. Protests also were held in Lahore, near the Indian border.

The rallies were organized by a hard-line religious coalition, Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal, or United Action Forum — a vocal opponent of Pakistan President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.

'We will cut off the feet'
About 12,000 people, many of them supporters of the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood group, gathered in Alexandria, Egypt, filling a three-story building and spilling into surrounding streets, listening to preachers who demanded an apology from U.S. officials. The neighborhood was ringed by police, who arrested 12 of the demonstrator’s organizers.

About 1,000 people — mostly lawyers — gathered in downtown Cairo and were surrounded by double that number of riot police.

A similar number gathered in the Lebanese capital of Beirut, carrying black banners and burning American and Israeli flags.

“We will cut off the feet that desecrated the Quran!” the crowd yelled.

Thousands gathered outside the U.S. Embassy in Khartoum, Sudan, and demanded an investigation into all actions against Muslims held in Guantanamo.

'Go to hell, America!'
In Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, protesters shouted “Go to hell, America!” and waved placards reading “Long Live Islam,” as they burned U.S. and Israeli flags outside the U.S. Embassy. Riot police guarded the compound, and the crowd dispersed peacefully nearly an hour later after handing a note to embassy officials. The protest was the second of its kind in as many weeks.

advertisementAbout 50 people chanted anti-American slogans and threw tomatoes at a portrait of President Bush in the Indonesian capital of Jakarta. The protesters were outnumbered 4-1 by police officers in riot gear and left after about an hour.

In Bangladesh’s capital of Dhaka, about 5,000 people rallied after Friday prayers, spitting on U.S. flags, kicking them and then burning them. They shouted “Death to America!” and “Destroy America!” Many carried copies of the Quran, held over their heads.

The protesters used shoes to beat a Bush dummy and burned an effigy of the president, chanting “Bush — the killer!” Riot police watched the demonstrators, who dispersed peacefully.

“No one has the right to debase our holy book. We are prepared to die to protect the honor of our religion,” Fazlul Huq Amini, a lawmaker from Islamic Oikya Jote told the rally.

The groups included Islamic Oikya Jote or Islamic Unity Council, a member of the coalition government led by Prime Minister Khaleda Zia.

U.S. confirms mishandling
Anti-U.S. sentiment has been running high in Muslim countries since the Newsweek report. The Bush administration blamed it for demonstrations this month in Afghanistan, where more than a dozen people died and scores were injured.

In Washington on Thursday, investigators confirmed five cases in which military personnel mishandled the Qurans of Muslim prisoners at Guantanamo Bay since 2002. But they said they found no “credible evidence” that a holy book was flushed in a toilet.

Brig. Gen. Jay W. Hood, the Guantanamo Bay prison commander who led the investigation, said five of 15 alleged incidents were substantiated. Four were by guards and one was by an interrogator.

Hood said the five cases “could be broadly defined as mishandling” of the holy book. He refused to discuss details but said two of the cases apparently were accidental.

Hood emphasized that his investigation was not complete.

 

Hi Mui, Is this beginning to make sense now in the context of the moment--the article I told you to read?

 

"...I though I saw down in the street, the spirit of the Century; telling us that we are standing On the Border" —Al Stewart

 

Every atheist knows that argument christians use is bullshit... we arent atheist so we can sin or get away with anything, we refuse to believe in illogical religions... simple as that... and im not running to any mod or anything... so your argument there has nothing..
Ive delt with the issue. I believe in no god or higher power, because it doesnt seem logical.... not to escape or not deal with anything... what a retarded argument.

People hate christians because they think they are absolutely right all the damn time... anyone who thinks different is going to hell, after all... its no wonder... get off your soap box and stop preaching to me... you may be 100% sure that god exists and jesus is the son of god, but to us who need more than just a book of fairy tales will never believe in what you think is the absolute truth.. talk about elitism and self righteousness... the only purpose of my post was to debunk islamic stereotypes... and in return i get barragged with christians preaching to me to let jesus in my life... and they wonder why christianity is disrespected as much as islam... the bad apples spoil it for the hypocrites... same with all religions.