Why I think young teens shouldn't trip

There have been hospital visits, injuries, and various deaths from accidents occurring while under the influence of psychedelic drugs, but never an overdose or death from a good number of psychedelic drugs themselves. The drugs had nothing to do with it; it was the user that chose to do that certain activity to get him into that kind of trouble.

On to your second paragraph - Yes, I do understand that psychedelics are more powerful than caffeine, of course. A lot of them are seen as the world's most mind altering substances. Onto the brain and body ''not being ready'', the average age for an adult human brain to officially stop developing is 25. Some recent studies have also shown that it may not stop growing until your late 40's. I bet and almost guarantee that most entheogen users here on hipforums have probably had some type of psychedelic before the age of 25. It's just too common. On to your last statement, psychedelics are mood swing-causing drugs. That's the most harm they're gonna do(Though I really wouldn't consider it harmful). LSD treats alcoholism, psilocybin treats depression, and MDMA treats anxiety. Caffeine does...? Honestly, what do you have to lose?

 

A lot of money if you end up in the hospital and possibly your life if you ingest bad mushrooms, a high dose of 2ct7, a bad ecstasy pill or many of other possible bad scenarios. I'm not going to even sugarcoat it like madcapsyd did you are just plain stupid if you think psychedelics are safer for a teenager than caffeine.

Teenagers don't forsee these consequences though and the fact that their is alot of drug propaganda that makes drugs look works than they are gives users a false sense of security with them. The most drastic changes of your brain take place from about 12-20 by the way, stretching it to 25 and especially to 40 is incorrect. You can certainly form new connections then but you don't have a whole frontal lobe as well as the influx of hormones and chemicals developing at those ages.

I know people who have had seizures on mushrooms and close friends become completely different people due to ecstasy and LSD. Some may even say that I have due to my use.

 

That's because you can't fuck around with any sort of drug no matter what it is. The whole reason why drugs are looked down upon is because dumb ass people do stupid shit while on them and end up creating a story out of it. If you have ecstasy, buy a test kit. If you're getting something like LSD, be sure to know where it came from, previous trip reports from other people, and so on. If you can't find out, looks like you'll have to risk it. You must know your substance and know your own mental stability before taking any sort of drug. If you can't handle it, it's your own fault for tripping.

As for the comment on your brain not developing until 40, the brain does not 100% fully develop from the ages of 0 - 40. Around 40, brain density and memory begin to slowly decline, which is where the brain is fully matured. Also, the frontal lobe may not be fully developed nor at all ready to interfere with the LSD molecule, but it's a hell of a lot better than all of those dangerous prescription meds that doctors give to ADHD patients.

 

HAHA ok man are you going to tell me you know the source where all your LSD originated from?

You are now dancing around the argument by changing it from caffeine to prescription meds. You seem to be trying to justify your own use.

I use psychedelics too, but even Pure MDMA I would say is not as safe as ADHD medication. The fact that LSD and MDMA are manufactured illegaly just add to all the negative possible side effects these drugs can have. You could be making pure LSD and MDMA and go wrong in the synthesis process and you have a problem on your hands, and that's not even intentional. Many illicit drug makers just care about cash. I think this is getting away from the initial point of the thread a bit but are like secondary reasons as to why teenagers shouldn't be taking these drugs.

 

I think teens shouldnt wear them Wheelies either...

 

I never said I know where my personal LSD source came from. When I said source, I meant dealer. I think it would be better to buy LSD off of a dealer than a random hippie at a festival. I am also not justifying my own use. I was clearly giving an example of harmless illegal drugs compared to brain-damaging legal prescription meds.

I understand what you're saying. You may never know what you'll get(unless you test for it, an example being MDMA), but it's certainly better than taking Oxycontin or Ritalin as prescriptions. Drugs that don't kill are just simply better than drugs that can kill. I'd rather pop a cap of (tested)ecstasy or take a hit of LSD than swallow a couple Vicodin tablets.

 

You have to be in pretty serious pain to get prescribed oxycontin, regarding the rest of this i'm through with this debate.

 

You are in a very debatey sort of mood today aren't you?

 

Mdmas precursor is a carcinogen, nitroethane used to create is suspected to cause genetic damage and be harmful to the nervous system..
Its deeper than this,, safeguards in medicine are twisted..
In another culture they pulled some plants and ate them, some people died they see this as a curse and blessing.. Whats the point in exploiting either end of spectrum?

 

Yes, you do. A lot of pain.

I don't understand where you're getting the sense that this is a debate. I was peacefully negotiating answers to come to a final conclusion among the both of us.

 

Yes, I've had a rough few disappointing days apparently clashing heads with internet folk is how I am trying to work it out apparently.

Of course it's a debate? would you prefer argument? A debate can still be peaceful, I don't think any final conclusions will be reached that's why I'm trying to put it behind us as I see that the most peaceful final conclusion. if you are going to beat around the bush and go from caffeine vs. psychedelics, to prescriptions vs. psychedelics, to each individual prescription vs. psychedelics, I don't care to defend my reasoning on every single new substance presented when it's essentially the same reason for all of them, except oxycontin. Did you want to circle jerk all night? I was kind of planning to get laid to maybe alleviate this argumentative mood i'm in.

 

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No, I wouldn't prefer an argument.

You don't gotta defend yourself much when talking to me. I seek sharing the differences in opinions among others; trying to make my opinion better than someone else's isn't what I'm here for.

 

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You seem quite energetic tonight.

I don't understand your statement, are you against or for the medicinal use of MDMA and other psychedelics?

 

Yea, I'll play strong silent type if you want and prefer, at that I 'm a champion. Or I can spend a moment expressing myself, for my own and mayyybe others enjoyment and education. I know I had a smile on, may it be contagious.

ITS NOT AN ARGUMENT, ITS LIFE BRO! I'm really not aiming to peer pressure anyone to a this is good, you are bad, she deserves to, and the last one standing gets my symbolic rose of love - or wtfe. I'm not your Priest, Therapist, or Lawyer. That you are able to sense the vagueness or contrariness of my position should be acceptable enough an experiential statement to stand alone without explanation. Talk to my agent about writing a check for the book I'll write, if you want it that much. I will not answer your followup question of determinate finality as I have already illustrated a BIT of the complexity of the situation as best I am able, this governor-to-be is busy! Next question!

 

Medicinal use of MDMA, I lol'd

 

Haha no, be yourself. Please. I encourage it to the fullest.

I still don't fully understand what you said; a very wide vocabulary selection you have though.

 

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