Why I don't argue/debate Christians anymore

now i know that you are wrong on this. believing that God did not create evil is logically impossible and goes against how the christian God is described. of course God created evil, he created man, he created the devil, he created so-called free will, so therefore God created evil, when designing everything he knew what would come

from your post, it is now clear to me, that you truely do not know God, because you would never claim, he didn't create something that exist if he created all, its impossible
peacex

 

God is not the author of confusion, God does not rebel against Himself, nor does He encourage His subjects to rebel against Him. Those who do, rebel by abusing the freedom that God has granted them. God is not evil, nor does He create sin.
Sin is a by-product of the devils rebellion. God created the Devil, and the Devil was not always looked upon by the host of heaven as evil, yet in time the devil showed his true self. He did this, when He tried to overthrow God. God did not make the Devil evil, that came about when the Devil abused his free will. And freely attempted to overthrow the host of heaven. The Devil did not have to sin, this was the choice he made.

 

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no this is absolutely imposible, if God created the devil, God created evil, and when creating the devil, he knew what would happen, God creted time so therefore is not subject to its laws, so knew exactely everything, unless God isn't as powerful or 'intelligent' as you make out.

If God created all then you are wrong and therefore the Bibles view on these things are wrong. How did the Devil gain evil, if evil was not created, if freewill can equal evil, then God did create evil.

 

i also wonder why you and jd4u say you know that hell is literal fire, when you just presented me with a story (which you also believe) which describes hell in the symbolic sense, which you dont believe in.

 

When God allowed His creation choice, he gave them the ability to be constructive or destructive. The Devil made his choice. Sin or evil is not a solid or liquid created substance. It is a choice we make. And that choice is based on a being having the ability to make that choice. This is a simple and well understood Christian Doctrine. When the Devil was created, he was not evil. Evil only entered the picture, when he made war against God. Sin came into existance, when the Devil rebelled. God knows the choices we will make, yet God does not interfer with those choices. Are decesions are ours to make, be they good, or bad. Trying to blame God for our misdeeds, is truly a cop out.

 

I don't believe the full horror of Hell can be realized by a glimpse. What I believe many have seen is but a small taste of what awaits those who donot no God. Showing me the ocean is one thing, but then ask me to describe it depths would require much more time and study.

 

i apologize for not agreeing with you on this, but i think what you are claming is actually impossible and i think you are downplaying how powerful God is? how do you know why God is doing all this, maybe he did actually create all. if he did create all, then what you just claimed is impossible, end of story, if he created all then he did create evil and sin. otherwise it is not an option.

the devil cant rebel unless God created the freedom for him to do so. So therefore God did all. By your definition, God did not create all and therefore is not infinately powerful.
i am not blaming God, i believe in God, but i believe God is more powerful then you claim, your God didn't create all, my God did create all. I think you are being disrepectful to God in believing he didn't create everything

 

Evil is not a substance that is created, it is a choice we make.

 

1 Tim. Chapter 4 verse 3 For everything created by God is good,

 

but doesn't that make the statement that God created all contradictory. If nothing was there before God, then this cannot be. God must of created evil and sin. if the Bible says this is not true and gives two versions, how can i believe this book?
i'm not questioning your faith or anything, but can you not see how they can contradict one another. it is actually impossible for the two to go together. either your God isn't infinately powerful and didn't create all, or he did create evil and sin

 

No it would not be contradictory, because when the Bible speaks of God creating, it is not talking about concepts. God did not make Chevys or Fords either. Man made those, just as the Devil authored sin. God gave us the substances to create, but man created the things out of those substances. God gave us free will, the devil created evil by abusing free will. Evil has no atomic weight, you cannot study it under a microscope. You cannot burn it or freeze it. Evil is not a creation. Evil is an act of rebellion against God.

 

TO THEM THAT PERISH, THE PREACHING OF THE CROSS IS FOOLISHNESS TO THEM, BUT TO WE THAT ARE ALIVE AND SAVED IT IS THE POWER OF GOD.

 

God did create Fords and all, if God created everything then yes he did create everything, you cant pick things you dont like and say he didnt create them. God created life who created fords.
God created the devil who used sin.
God created.

Evil, however you define it, is created by God. I am not justyfying being evil, i am just commenting that yes evil is bad but it was all created by God.
If evil exists- which according to you it does, then God created it. Even if God didn't want evil (which he must of) then he shouldn't of created it, unless it had a purpose, maybe as a test for humans (which is what my christian friend says).

Many christians i have spoke to, agree God created all, and maybe that doesn't go by your literal take of the Bible, but i can understand their view more as what they are saying is more logical than the improssible idea you thought of. Maybe you were just wrong on this interpretation... just maybe, maybe you are not perfect and do not know all (you are not Jesus you know)
peacex

 

I worked in a Chicago factory for 27 years, and at know time did God remove the work out of my hands and do the job for me. He gave me the ability to do the job, and this is clear from the Scripture. If God statred making Chevys, I'm pretty sure we would of heard about it, on Night Line, or 60 minutes, or 20 20. If you believe God created evil, you are doing so without the support of Scripture. Another words, your belief is based on your imagination. And the only reason people want to believe God created evil, is so in the end they will not have to take responsibility for their own evil actions. Yet you will find no matter how you try and side step evil, you will be responsible for your own actions. Only the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ will remove that evil from you, and you will not be able to point your finger at God for failing to let Christ into your life. What you do with Jesus Christ will determine where you will spend eternity. Yet, it is your choice.

 

now i will admit you do know the Bible more than most, but i actually think you are wrong on this, and i think you did understand what i said, but couldn't answer so you have twisted it too suit yourself. you knew what i meant when i said god made cars. please don't act like this and look at someones elses view for once. I didn't even claim christianity was wrong, i said that i think you have interpreted it wrongly.

and actually when i say god created evil, i am using scripture, because in the Bible, it said God created all from nothing. even if it is true that Jesus can remove said sin, it doesn't mean god didn't create it. I am actually quite shocked that someone who apparently is so close to God fails to see all that he has created

 

just to add, not once was i talking about avoiding consequences or anything of the sort, and i think you knew that, but are avoiding the philosophical questioning behind it. Christianity can be right- even with what i have just claimed- all i said was that God created all, and you disagreed. i think i can find many christians who would agree with me here

 

Well I did not fail at anything here. You forgot to mention that God made all THINGS. Evil is not a THING, it is a: morally reprehensible :SINFUL, WICKED b: arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct. Your misuse of Scripture, is what has brought you to this conclusion.

 

Are you so stupid that you believe God won't send me here to reprimand you for your attempt at deception?

Isaiah 45:7
I make light, and create darkness;
I make peace and create evil;
I, the Lord, do all these things.

 

actually i think it is your misuse of scripture, maybe jsut maybe you have interprested it wrong, and maybe you do not know everything about God. everythig that is.. whether is be a feeling, a solid item or whatever is created by God, the bad character or way of being sinful must of being created