Why does Israel keep making peace negotiations with terrorist governments?

I liked that so I think I'll start paying attention to you again. So first of all, no, I don't want to talk sex and I don't want sex from you. I already have all the quality sex I can handle and I can get more whenever I choose to do so. Let's leave that one alone now.

A girl with a brain? Well, let's work on that for a while before you ask me to come to any conclusions. Maybe, maybe you're not. I'm thinking the latter but I'm also thinking I'm been too hasty in thinking that.

But anyway, could you please restate what you said, which I said I couldn't understand. It's still not making complete sense for me. Maybe I'm a little slow in understanding you. I'll try harder from now on as long as it looks like you're making an effort too.

When did you think I was a complete asshole? It's just that you could be onto something that is escaping me right now.

 

I have felt degraded and attacked by you......
like my thoughts and feelings about anything were not valid.
I do like you, for some strange reason.
What do you want me to restate....and I do have a brain.It may not be the same kind of brain you have..or others....... but I can think.....and I can feel....
I am hurt, not angry.

 

Moonglow, this is what I want you to restate and explain:

I'm truly sorry if I hurt you. I thought you were being quite insensitive to what I had to say and for that reason I kept kicking it up a notch. Now I see that wasn't what you were doing.

But let me explain a little further. I got the feeling that if you didn't choose sides then you were insensitive to the suffering of the victims in this skirmish. That, in my mind at least, made you out to be an insensitive person. But now I'm beginning to see that that isn't you.

Or in other words, I want everybody to care because if they care then I think they will naturally choose a side.

 

I take the side of the suffering people in Palestine that have been so terrribly wounded....the children. Some of the images of them laying there bleeding and crying and mangled break my heart....The people fleeing there that have nowhere to go but to the overcrowded opened schools for them....the victims that did not want this war....and who are suffering...the ones that got killed...These are the innocent victims........I am sorry for any innocents that were killed in Israel, as well.....or anywhere......the ones that just want to live in peace.......especially the children.
What did they ever do to anyone?
This is what I meant.

and I am sorry if I made you feel like I was insensitive to what you had to say.....maybe I was angry about alot of things........and maybe trusted you with my feelings......idk.....It is something that I will need to think about......

I know sometimes.....the type written word is so crazy. I will write something, and know where my heart is, and if I see something days later I wrote...I think...wow.....did I really sound like that? I did not mean it like that, so I will work on that.

 

In don't think any have remained silent. I think there is a growing world wide awareness that hitting does not solve our problems. I say growing certainly not dominant.

 

Maybe you misunderstood what I said. The fact that 100 out of 100 members of US senate would side with Israel when it's so patently obvious that Israel is the aggressor and in the wrong, sets precedence that hasn't been set for 70 years. That's what's scary.

It appears that there is nobody in the seat of US government that will resist the path to war the US has chosen. Or at least no one legislator who will speak up and proclaim the obvious. We should be wondering why exactly that is?

That's what you should address if you are interested. The wiz is aware of the AIPAC lobby and it's power, even though he didn't voice it. And probably more that he chooses not to talk about right now.

But I should add, outside of US government there is a growing recognition of the fact that Israel is on the side of wrong. It's probably much more evident outside the US and Canada. Our medias are still working full time on trying to slant their bias toward Israel. And now the Harper gov and especially the extremist madman Baird are outdoing the US itself in the effort to save Israel's reputation!

 

Christian Zionism is a good guess... the belief among a large majority of Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy.
That and Israel is undoubtedly a strategic military out-post for the US.
Ever since the Hitler thing, it's been easy to play the "Jews as victims" card.

 

They are all in the wrong for all have sinned by killing each other's societies innocents.


I'm surprised that the military industrial complex hasn't developed a more accurate weapon to render the tactic of hostage taking and terrorists hiding among civilians a null and void tactic.

The fact that both side's minorities cling to "religious" beliefs over territory and the fact the prospect of peace and getting along proves they care more about proving a point rather than living with their loved ones and tolerating and maybe even bonding with those of other beliefs.

Rather they have chosen to sacrifice their lives and the lives of their citizens to prove who God will reward or favor.


None of them have taken the belief that perhaps God can come down himself one day and solve the issue, without the need for human hands.

So both sides resort to a loss of emotional control and have resorted to violence.

 

Just making an observational note.


This person got riled up, based on someone else's comment they weren't sure how to interpret and this reacted in a negative or intense way.


This quality of humans needs to stop or at least be slowed down as far as any person is able to do within themselves.

It is this same psychological-behavior dynamic that's been holding our species down from critical thinking for a LONG time and makes people weak to conspiracy theories based on reactive emotions.

It drives events like wars, down to the commonplace breakup of friendships and relationships.


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Religion aside, many Palistinians currently living in refugee camps have deeds to property and documentation of family ownership dating back 200 or 300 years in some cases. Right now, someone else is living in their house.

 

True, but what would have been better is if the same land was divided and shared equally between Jews and Arabs.


I believe there was a historical foundation where there was peace between Jews and Arabs, and more specifically Muslims, who lived in that same sacred land and had a modicum of peace, until the Christians got involved.


Why can't we return to that kinda interfaith-partnerships? I have no idea except people are caught up in the emotional domino effect of events rather than the origin of the historical conflict, that keeps reincarnating under various political guises.

 

That's a good question. It would seem logical to do that. The problem with that scenario for Israel is that it wants to keep its "Jewish identity". Israel would have to choose between eventually losing that identity or being an apartheid system (which it basically is already). On top of that, all of those homes are being occupied now, assuming they are still standing and all of the people with deeds would want their property back. I don't know if the program still exists but at one time there was an offer to pay any Palistinian for property that they could prove was theirs but my understanding of it was that they had to give up the property and acknowledge Israels "right" to the land. Not many people took that offer.

 

True, but see PRIDE (A sin in all the Abrahamic faiths btw) at the end of the day kills both peoples.

Now not only do they lose their property, but they lose their life as well, as well as generations after.


There can be non of this upstaging of one culture versus another.

They are all Abraham's children theoretically anyway, so like what are they doing!

Let the battle be a battle that was fought by generations past, not the current generation.


Or better yet, just flip a coin, you get less blood shed that way and less misery, and a coin flip would be unbiased.



The concept of "Oh we have to avenge our brother" is COMPLETELY TOXIC to the human race, and that line of thinking needs to completely end.

Instead focus on INDIVIDUALS for specific actions they've done, rather than judging them as a collective nation, would help.

 

Besides pride churning into sin, there nevertheless is knowledge churning into Progress. Thus I don't understand why the lamenting of failed past progress in historical and naturally scientific Knowledge. It really is a seeking of improvement in work methods and judgement, understanding of the human race don't hate one another, but Reveal the Law to enlightened temporal passage. (Self at Other).

The subject of biological and cultural substance can have much to compare in geneticism and ecology, and the anthropology of ancient communication and development. :mickey:

 

In Miami, Fla. Cuban people express ownership of ancestral homes in Cuba, which are now occupied by others.

Irish Authors, James Joyce and Frank McCourt have written about ancestral lands snatched away by English conquerors.

Genuine peace asks that grievances be buried, under a tree of peace.

Joining with the grievances creates conditions for war.

King Charles II would never have been Restored in 1660 if not for his acceptance of land re-distribution settlement by the previous Commonwealth government.

 

Political money is a better one.

 

Ahh, right... all in the name of controlling influence, the flow of oil and who controls it.

 

I say taking someones home creates conditions for war. But like I said earlier in this thread....even if the Palistinians accept that they have lost their homes....it still isn't going to be enough. It will be over when Gaza and the West Bank are Israeli territory and the Palistinians are gone. That's my prediction anyway.

 

How can you make peace with a people who's leaders have taught for 1300 years that they are right, (and have the rights), and everyone else is wrong, (and have no rights.)
By the way ISIS is now sponsoring the genital mutilation of all women from 12 to 40. How's that for a kind and loving religion?

 

Point #1....nobody in the entire world has leaders who are claiming to be wrong on any kind of consistent basis or they wouldn't be leaders for very long.

Point #2....The Palistinians are not ISIS. It's a completely different conversation. I wouldn't be surprised if ISIS supported the Palistinian cause but I doubt if most Palistinians would want to be ruled by ISIS any more than they would want to give territory to the Israelis.

Lumping all (but very different) Arab groups together is just a way of lowering different groups of people down to the most common denominator for propaganda. ISIS and the Palistinians happen to be Arabs. It doesn't mean all Palistinians are Muslims and it doesn't mean any of them (Muslim or otherwise) support anything ISIS does. And as long as we're talking about common denominators.....everyone in the region speaks a Semitic language therefore they are all Semites...including the Israelis and Arabs. So that's kind of an interesting concept to me but some are labeled "anti-Semites" and some never will be. But if we start assuming one group will be torturing or whatever just because a completely different group does....that like saying all Americans are the same regardless of political affiliation or region or whatever. Or all north Americans are the same because....they are so the Canadians must be just as much to blame for the wars as the US. It's counterproductive.