Why does God allow the suffering of little children?

This right here...

The only thing that determines the path you follow (note that is not, the path you start on), is your decisions.

 

unless you are fighting your insurance company over an "act of God" clause

 

Well that's your own choice, but why you are so animate and proud in your cynicism of everything baffles me. I can feel a blood vessel about to burst in you. The Theories are tested, because it is science, advancements are being made, massive projects are being done to work with particles, many observations even dating back to the 1930s have already taken place showing behavior of things at the quantum level. More of quantum mechanics is verified than you know, apparently, because you completely write it off, which is your own uneducated choice. Most theory is about the exact functioning behind the observed behaviors, not that behavior exists even in the first place, and the behavior of particles themselves do show mystery that seems to have correlations to life. Your last statement is so ridiculous because of this, you lack a lot of basic knowledge. (In your mind :"quantum mechanics" > "oh quantum theory" > "oh theory" > "Oh meaning not fact" > " ohMeaning thought up out of thin air".) Einstein must have been a liar, a story teller, who liked to tell stories with weird technical variables, Bohr too... right?

I'm done with your overly aggressive and judgmental approach toward everything. It is based out of pure angry emotion and it seems based out of no experience or knowledge of anything, real or mythical.

Have a nice day, you really fucking need one.

 

lol, this pisses me off so much...

Why haven't insurance companies been sued over this? Can they prove there is a god to cause these acts? Even if they could prove one exists, can they prove GOD did it?

Seriously one of the more fucked up things about insurance (and yes, that is saying a fuck of a lot)

 

LMAO

Nice proof of your hypocrisy.

 

As for your idea that I discount Quantum Theory... you really should re-read what I said, you are having a slight malfunction in your understanding of the english language.

That first part...

Just because I don't believe in god, you JUDGE this to mean that I don't believe in anything.

I believe in the power of people to make their own decisions. I believe that people are responsible for those decisions. I believe that people are capable of the greatest good, or the greatest evil, depending on their choices..

You know what else I believe? I believe that you should be able to believe in your evil twisted fucked up god if you wish... UNTIL you start saying that its okay for him/her/it to torture and kill innocents to further his/her/it's plans...

 

Sin is a metaphysical consequence of a physical action, similar to the Buddhist concept of Karma. Different from the Jain concept of karma (in which karma is a sort of matter).

 

Poor literature, poor theology.

I give it a pass.

The "It was all a dream, or was it..." ending was cheesy to the N-th degree.

 

Can you either expand on this, or give me some links that clarify what you are trying to say?

 

Thank you def. I do like to think that my life is fulfilling. If it was not, I do not think I'd be very settled.

Tipsy, I think that my judgments have come to me, via myself and my own cognitive abilities. Although my views are in line with the Magisterium, I'd hesitate to say that i am simply a sheep following the pack.

Once religion is taken out of it, and it becomes mere philosophy (which many attempt to do to Jesus. They try and take all of religion and divinity from Jesus and present him as a cool guy who had some nice things to say. Oh and he was a hippy ). Even then, once it becomes philosophy, we can still use the morals and punishments found therein. homosexuality is wrong, why--well not longer because God says so, but because it goes against the natural order of procreation.

A murderer should be stoned, not because god said so, but because murder demands restitution and only life can be paid for life.

(I am not saying I agree with these statements, but I present them to show how Biblical morality can be used without God). As a Catholic, I affirm the dignity of all people, and the right to live of everyone. Capital punishment may only be acceptable in some extreme situations (one could argue the early Hebrews needed it because they were a nomadic people and what we know now as a psychopath cannot be controlled in a situation like this).

My views on divorce, as you brought it up, do not stem from specifically the Church, but the nature of the vows in general. Yes, it does require God, but I find the notion that other Christians can have "Church divorces" top be 100% against what they say during the ceremony. Yes, civilly, we can divorce, and I am not against that, but what we say before god is that we pledge to be bound to this person and this soul for our lives. In the ceremony, the witness, who is the minister of the church, declares that what God joins together, upon the declaration of the intendeds, not even man may split. We may split each other in that we dissolve financial and civil responsibility to each other, but spiritually we are bound.

I have brought this up before, but in the my mind, authentic freedom comes from not being bound to sin. sin binds us in the task of always and constantly trying to stimulate our senses and gratification. We look for it, where we only find temporary, and often addictive ultimately dependent ways. Sex, drugs, gambling, are all ways in which we try to find fulfillment in our lives, but in reality what we are doing is temporarily feeling good.

 

because "true god" is the planet silly, mo! the planet treats us all alike....she has no human feelings or she would treat us different....her laws of nature keep us in check aka "karma"....we are what i call lil gods of the planet.....Jesus=He'sus...... like he is us.....and were all "born virgins to marry" .......i find it funny they give all the power to a dude name jesus and a chick named the virgin mary......like the church says "dont say the lords name in vein" well "god" isnt tha name and when you say "god-damn-it" your are really saying "god-am-it" sure does seem like the church is taking the power from people, blind faith will lead you, who knows where.....we put the food on the table......we die for our sins......the earth doesnt ask for money since those are the "false prophets" i mean false profits......the mind is the money.. to answer your question....because she has no human feelings mo

 

I'd hope so.

So people who cannot have children, or simply choose not to, are also wrong? I don't see that as a reason at all, and strangely it seems to be the only thing people come up when asked to explain why it is wrong once religion is taken out of it.

Perhaps, in a simplistic way, people are born gay to help keep down the population - if everyone is having children, where will people find room?!

And, what about the woman whose only crime was to have an affair? She's not a psychopath yet according to the Bible should die.

But, that view isn't taking away religion.

 

well homosexual actions are contrary to the procreation. Biological impediments are not. Homosexual action can be controlled, biological impediments to conception are not.

People choosing not to have children now I think points to another social issue.

I think where that comes from is being deviants, and usurping the status quo.

It is still extreme, and I do not agree with a secular reasoning behind it (nor a religious reasoning in terms of Universality. Specific conditions, maybe, but not Universality. Jesus actually makes the rule concerning adultery harder, stating that even looking at a woman with lust is adultery. This points to our dependance on sin, and ultimately our need of Christ).


Another important issue for tyhe early Hebrews was lineage. Adultery disrupts a certain lineage, and by their standards, could be punished by death. Am I saying that we should agree, no--but merely like I said that morality in the Bible can be made secular.

You are right that my initial explanation didn't quite leave out God, so here is another go...

By breaking an oath or ocntract, it can be considered incorrect. It is a mutually binding, no exit, verbal contract.

 

To test how deep your faith is? Why do people kill others in the name of one god or another, one religion or another?

 

Sin is a metaphysical reality. Its consequences (by and large) are metaphysical (you know, eternl punishment, or temporal purifying).

Karma, in the buddhist tradition, is not a physical thing (I included that comment about Jains just because I find it interesting). Karma to the Buddhist is metaphysical.

Both of these ideas, sin and karma, are not the result of a metaphysical action, but of a physical action.

It is a sin to murder, but the consequences as a result of sin are metaphysical.

Occasioanlly sin, such as in the form of demonic possession, can be manifested physically. These cases are extremely rare.

 

Often it is religion that is being used for political purposes, and political gain.

Sometimes religious ideals may be underlying some decisions.

Why do people kill in the name of this religion or that God? Well people acting like this serves as evidence for many religious doctrines. Christianity teaches that people are sinners, Judaism very similar, ditto for Islam. Buddhism teaches that we all get caught up in samsara and will, because of suffering, act very naughty.

It is also important to notice that violence has been shed in the name of nearly all major religions (Buddhism included). Violence has also been spread in the name of irreligious ideologies (capitalism, communism, monarchies, democracies, taxation, ethnicities, and increasingly, over natural resources like water).

What is common isn't gods, or religion--but people.

 

This may be a little annoying on my part, but many believe free will is non existent and is just a delusion of the mind. No one is responsible for their decisions because they were already determined. The only thing that happens is that those that were determined to react a certain way to certain actions will do so. So someone who murders, the consequence is determined by those that have more control. It has less to do with revenge and more to do with the natural order of things and out of 'necessity.'

Decision is illusion.

How is something determined as 'wrong'. Can atheist be a moral absolutist without being illogical? Why do you say killing is wrong? Is it due to your primal instincts? Are instincts a good enough reason why it's wrong? Instincts aren't always reliable, at least that's what science seems to be saying. Sometimes the truth is counter intuitive.

What's your opinion on incest? Is it always wrong? Is it wrong by virtue of society or because it has certain consequences? What if those consequences were avoided, would it still be wrong?

 

Thanks for replying to me Tipsy Gypsy,

Can we not say that they ARE making judgments for themselves? To agree with the Bible requires judgement. Many gay people, as an example, decide for themselves whether or not they should be intimate with the same gender. Obviously they are following the moral of their faith (or maybe not, some say it mentions nothing about loving homosexual relationships), but there is still a decision being made whether or not to trust it. Perhaps they are stupid as many say, but perhaps its not that simple as them being simply "stupid" (I know they weren't your words). Why say that others can make decisions and judgments for themselves, but Christians cannot? Doesn't seem fair to me.

 

Once again the Hammer of Justice prevails.....

 

Many also believe the earth is flat too... I have about equal use for both types.