Why does everyone believe in conspiracy theories nowadays?

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  1. Shy0ne

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    too bad for him.
    not that it matters.
    Crazy as it sounds he seems to think validity requires a PhD in cooking to boil water even though you do it every day. I git a PhD in boiling water, I claim the water is boiling.
    Fact is the manufacturer provides as much training to him as they would anyone else.
    Unless he is stating there is a conspiracy underfoot and foul play! o_O
    Claiming that a guy does not know what he is doing just because he uses a device to look for other objects is ludicrous, but thats ok because he shoots himself in the foot with that nonsense and invalidates everything he cited!
     
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  2. Moon Goddess

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    Whatever, I was just telling you it was filtered out, not a dead link.
     
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  3. Tishomingo

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    It's a Facebook site: Alan Heath's History Page. Alan Heath is a well-known Holocaust historian.
    "On internet fora, Heath openly challenges Holocaust deniers to produce evidence to back up claims. He notes that nearly every Holocaust denier has to used forged evidence... Thus he coined the term denier liar to describe a person who deliberately falsifies evidence and a naive or gullible denier as someone who willingly believes this falsified evidence. He argues that it is not fair to place both denier liars and naive deniers in the same camp as the latter may not be aware that evidence has been falsified." Alan Heath
     
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    I generally use cites to give credit where credit is due, and to tell people where I got my information. If Facebook restricts its web address for non-members, all I can say is: I tried.
     
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  6. Shy0ne

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    Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

    We can’t connect to the server at www.holocaust-history.org.

    If you entered the right address, you can:

    Try again later
    Check your network connection


    For years well known historians claimed 6 million Jews were gassed, 4 million at Auschwitz!

    Now those same well known historians claim 1 million were gassed at Auschwitz,

    they made a 3 million error!?!?!?! o_O

    ...and its all peer reviewed!?!?!?!

    Explain!

    Clearly they simply made numbers up in the first place.

    Your well known historians were either lying then or they are lying now, which is it?
     
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  7. Tishomingo

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    Try searching Alan Heath's history site I have the site now and the web address, and it is a normal web address but if I send it as a link it will come out the same way it did. The missing words replaced by the dots are ************ It require you to create and account and log in..

    Anyhow,
    I'm sure Shy could go on with this until Hell freezes over. This is her life. Sad. I'm afraid if I continue much longer it will be mine. Ciao.
     
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  8. Shy0ne

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    Im glad you see what I mean.
    Same experts making 2 different claims one is logically is a lie.
    Its the industrial disease!
    Click Watch on youtube :)


    great lyrics, fits this situation equally well!

    [Verse 1]
    Now, warning lights are flashing down at Quality Control
    Somebody threw a spanner, and they threw him in the hole
    There's rumors in the loading bay and anger in the town
    Somebody blew the whistle and the walls came down
    There's a meeting in the boardroom
    They're trying to trace the smell
    There's a leaking in the washroom, there's a sneak in personnel
    Somewhere in the corridors, someone was heard to sneeze
    Goodness me, could this be industrial disease?

    [Verse 2]
    The caretaker was crucified for sleeping at his post
    They're refusing to be pacified, it's him they blame the most
    The watchdog's got rabies, the foreman's got the fleas
    Everyone's concerned about industrial disease
    There's panic on the switchboard, tongues in knots
    Some come out in sympathy, some come out in spots
    Some blame the management, some the employees
    And everybody knows it's the industrial disease

    [Verse 3]
    Yeah, now the work force is disgusted, downs tools, walks
    Innocence is injured, experience just talks
    Everyone seeks damages and everyone agrees
    That these are "classic symptoms of a monetary squeeze"
    On ITV and BBC they talk about the curse
    Philosophy is useless, theology is worse
    History boils over, there's an economics freeze
    Sociologists invent words that mean "industrial disease"
     
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  9. Shy0ne

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    @Tishomingo , remember Im a JAP, yes it is my life, Im also old as dirt and have had a plethora of first hand sources to guide me starting at a very young age. I quote all this without the need to crack one web site, its highly unlikely you will come up with anything I have not heard before about the Holocaust zionism hitler allies and ww2.

    BTW :)

    A holocaust is a sacred Jewish ritual olah offering. I have always found it odd that hitler would perform a sacred Jewish ritual, dont you think?

    What the Term Holocaust Has Come to Mean
    By Barbara Feinman
    April 10, 1983

    Holocaust: a word, a concept, a part of history, a catastrophe. The word has come to represent the actions that killed more than 6 million European Jews.

    But where did the word, itself, come from? Originally holokaustos--from the Greek holos--meaning whole, plus kaustos--meaning burnt. Burnt whole. Holokaustos can be traced back at least to the 3rd century B.C.E., where it was used in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of Jewish scripture. The word stood for the Hebrew word olah, roughly translated as burnt offering.

    Webster's definition is as follows: "1) An offering the whole of which is burnt; burnt offering. 2) great or total destruction of life, esp. by fire--The Holocaust--the systematic destruction of over six million European Jews by the Nazis before and during World War II."

    John K. Roth writes in his book, "A Consuming Fire," that "the Jerusalem Bible uses 'holocaust' in its translations." One passage where this occurs is the story of Isaac in Genesis 22, in which God commands Abraham to offer his son as a "burnt offering." And when Abraham is about to offer his only son as a sacrifice, God instructs him not to harm Isaac, that it was only a test of his faithfulness to God.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...to-mean/1c0dc753-3013-4209-ac72-425fc15595b1/

    Ponder that. Why would Zionists and later both Zionists and Jewish people credit Hitler with performing a 'Jewish' ritual offering? :confused:

    just a little trivia I thought you might enjoy :)
     
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  10. Shy0ne

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    Hmm....

    So that said.....

    We now know the Holocaust is a Jewish sacrificial ritual.

    People constantly talk about the Holocaust "Victims".

    Logically It goes without saying then that Victims of the Holocaust are in fact Victims of a Jewish sacrificial ritual. yikes!

    Oh my goodness!

    Scary stuff
     
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    You quoted half the article you linked but the other half says...

    "Names do not appear out of thin air. They are chosen and bestowed. In this situation, Jews themselves did the naming, and the heritage of that act is significant," says Roth.

    Names are significant because they not only identify but suggest and evoke emotions, and also reflect how the namers feel about what they've named. It is not surprising then to note that the Hebrew word for Holocaust is shoah, which means catastrophe. The Hebrew/Yiddish word is churban, coined by victims of the Holocaust. It originally meant destruction, later meaning the destruction of the first and second temples. Until the Holocaust, it referred to the worst possible thing imaginable by the Jews.

    I think you're missing the point of the "burnt" part and you're a bit hyper focused on the "offering" part, not to mention completely ignoring Webster's dictionary definition #2 as well as, "It is not surprising then to note that the Hebrew word for Holocaust is shoah, which means catastrophe," which was in the last paragraph of the article you linked.

    It is obvious that you just want an argument but for the life of me, I can't figure out why.

    I think you might want to seek professional help.

    Thank you for all your effort in setting the record straight on this thread. I will no longer be engaging with it either.
     
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    @Shy0ne

    The Jewish genocide may or may not have happened as per you, but what is important is the security threat perception with respect to Jews from neo-nazis at present.

    Below is a list of a few attacks on synagogues in recent times.

    Halle synagogue shooting - Wikipedia

    A former Marine linked to neo-Nazis plotted attacks on Jewish targets, prosecutors say | CNN

    Poway synagogue shooting - Wikipedia

    Pittsburgh synagogue shooting - Wikipedia


    So, as a Jew , I think perhaps you need to be careful whether your own holocaust denial might be fanning the animosity further unwittingly.

    I personally find the anti-semitic rhetoric nonsensical and laughable, and consider the jewish population as an asset to any nation. Imo, their wealth and success may have attracted envy and resentment from insecure and xenophobic sections of the population, not knowing that the high taxes they paid contributed heavily to the country's general prosperity and progress..
     
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  13. Shy0ne

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    Jewish sacrifice
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    The Altar of Incense, Altar of Burnt-Offering, and Laver from the biblical Tabernacle; illustration from the 1890 Holman Bible

    Main article: Burnt offering (Judaism)

    A "burnt offering" is a type of korban (sacrifice), specifically an animal sacrifice in which the entire sacrifice is consumed totally by fire. When the Jewish scriptures were translated into the Koine Greek Septuagint, the translators used the Greek term holokautein to translate the Hebrew olah.[3] This form of sacrifice, in which no meat was left over for anyone, was seen as the greatest form of sacrifice[4] and was the form of sacrifice permitted to be given solely at the Temple by Jews and non-Jews.[4]

    The "whole offering" is believed to have evolved as an extreme form of the slaughter offering, in which the portion allocated to the deity increased to all of it.[4] In slaughter offerings, the portion allocated to the deity was mainly the fat, the part which can most easily be burnt.

    The animals, having first been checked to ensure they were free from disease and unblemished (a requirement of the sacrifice), were brought to the north side of the altar, and killed by either the offeror, or a priest. The animal's blood was carefully collected by priests and sprinkled around the altar. Unless the animal was a bird, its corpse was flayed and the skin given to the priest, who was permitted to keep it. In later times more powerful priests took possession of the skins from the lesser priests, and it was decreed that the skins should be sold, with the proceeds being given to the Temple in Jerusalem (Tosefta 19). The flesh of the animal was divided according to detailed instructions given by the Talmud (Tamid 31), and would then be placed on the wood on the altar (which was constantly alight due to the large number of sacrifices carried out daily), and slowly burnt. After the flesh (including any horns and goats' beards) had been reduced to ashes, usually the following morning, the ashes were taken by the priest to a ritually clean location outside the sanctuary, and dumped there.[5][6]

    Most biblical scholars now agree that the intricate details of the whole offering, particularly the types and number of animals on occasion of various feast days, given by the Torah, were of a late origin, as were the intricate directions given in the Talmud.[4] Whole offerings were quite rare in early times, but as the ritual became more fixed and statutory, and the concentration of sacrifice into a single sanctuary (particularly after Josiah's reform) made sacrifices quite distinct from simply killing animals for food, whole offerings gradually rose to great prominence.[4]


    Shoah means catastrophe and rabbis have suggested that it should replace the word Holocaust. Shoah does not mean Holocaust.

    https://www.haaretz.com › jewish › holocaust-remembrance-day › 2019-05-01 › ty-article › .premium › shoah-how-a-biblical-term-became-the-hebrew-word-for-holocaust › 0000017f-dbbf-d3ff-a7ff-fbbf41b70000
    Shoah: How a biblical term became the Hebrew word for Holocaust
    The first person believed to use the word shoah specifically to describe the Holocaust was writer and editor Yehuda Erez, in 1938. Erez, who emigrated from Russia to British Mandate Palestine 1923, wrote the article "With the Shoah in Europe" in December 1938, saying, "We are horrified at the foundation by the shoah that is taking place upon the heads of German Jewry."

    The word Shoah existed long before 1940. Using the word to describe horrors of war is not specifically describing the Holocaust, just because it was suggested as a word to replace Holocaust not be Holocaust.

    It was a Shoah for the germans too. (proper usage)
     
  14. Shy0ne

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    Not once have I denied "The Holocaust". How could I do such a thing? There were 40 Holocausts between 1850 and 1950.

    I simply want material evidence of the claims before I jump on board join the Holocaust Religion.

    Too many contradictions. How does anyone make a 3 million death toll error? I find that mind boggling.

    Tell those who made the mistake of name calling, calling me a conspiracy theorist, and an antisemite, and a psychopath to back off and so will I.

    Its they who perfectly fit the identity of 'conspiracy theorists' since 'they' all used their Dick Tracy secret decoder ring to decipher the evil secrets hidden in Wannasee conference, not me since the words say deportation not exterminate as the historical museum claims and as the Tish Meagain and Zen 'believe'. All religions have belief construct, not based in fact. Same as that interpretation.

    At the core of every conspiracy theory is the idea that a powerful person, or group of people, is secretly hatching a dastardly scheme.
    The Mind of a Conspiracy Theorist

    I think the necessity to use a Dick Tracy secret decoder ring to sniff out hitlers diabolical plan hidden within the words of the Wannase conference qualifies perfectly as a conspiracy theory!

    Sorry to hear the shootings, a shoah for sure, maybe its time to stop lacing our food with so many chemicals and dishing out psychotropic drugs like candy? I see no reason to be forced into believing something I cant honestly agree OR disagree with. It may have happened just the claims presented here have been bunk so far, but then thats the usual MO of conspiracy theorists. the holocaust is their 'religion'. Conjecture and speculation as seen by my opponents does not trump hard material evidence as produced by me. The evidence matches the testimonials I posted theirs does not.

    How did we get that 3 million death toll count error?

    So now we are down to 3 million Jews. What will it be tomorrow? 5 years from now? 125?
     
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    You might have to check the motive or motivation of the Nazi leaders like Hitler, and not just the material evidences which can be easily tampered or removed. They were pretty rabid in their anti-semitic beliefs, and German religious leaders like Martin Luther had also held similar antisemitic views five centuries back.

    Martin Luther and antisemitism - Wikipedia

    A lot of animosity and hate was cultivated throughout the centuries which probably found expression in the second world war.

    Considering the aversion of the Nazis towards the jews, and their military efficiency, I think it is possible that such a genocide was perpetrated, though perhaps as you say the figures were inflated.

    I had earlier cited the Romani genocide and Soviet genocide perpetrated by the Nazis, which shows they were capable of such mass pogroms.

    Since the nineteenth century, every German citizen had to undergo compulsory military service which meant that a population servile and obedient to authority, vulnerable to influence of propaganda, and incapable of thinking on their own was created. Hence they could be easily conditioned to believe any sort of rhetoric from their leaders and execute their plans efficiently without questioning.
     
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    Exactly. The trash Shyone has been posting just fuels more anti Jewish sentiments and promotes more acts of violence against them.
     
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    It also reminds me of Trump's playbook. Lie, Lie and Lie some more. Eventually you wear down the opposition with your lies...

    The backlash is the hate, fear and confusion this causes others.

    An example is the gun violence sweeping the nation, sparked in part by the incessant lies of the sleazebag former president.
     
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    Like this?
    QUOTE TEXT
    God, I hate the Germans... — Dwight D. Eisenhower

    You do know Eisenhower is a Jew right?

    "Hitler will have no war (does not want war), but we will force it on him, not this year, but
    soon." - Emil Ludwig Cohn in Les Annales, June, 1934 (also quoted in his book "The New HolyAlliance").


    "For months now the struggle against Germany is waged by each Jewish community, at each
    conference, in all our syndicates, and by each Jew all over the world. There is reason to believe
    that our part in this struggle has general value. We will trigger a spiritual and material war of all
    the world against Germany's ambitions to become once again a great nation, to recover lost
    territories and colonies. But our Jewish interests demand the complete destruction of Germany.
    Collectively and individually, the German nation is a threat to us Jews." - Vladimir Jabotinsky
    (founder of the Jewish terrorist group, Irgun Zvai Leumi) in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934 (also
    quoted in "Histoire de l'Armee Allemande" by Jacques Benoist-Mechin, Vol. IV, p. 303).



    "We are not denying and are not afraid to confess that this war is our war and that it is waged for
    the liberation of Jewry...
    Stronger than all fronts together is our front, that of Jewry. We are not only giving this war our financial support on which the entire war production is based, we are not only providing our full propaganda power which is the moral energy that keeps this war going.

    The guarantee of victory is predominantly based on weakening the enemy forces, on destroying them in their own country, within the resistance. And we are the Trojan horses in the enemy's fortress. Thousands of Jews living in Europe constitute the principal factor in the destruction of our enemy. There, our front is a fact and the most valuable aid for victory." - Chaim Weizmann, President of the World Jewish Congress, Head of the Jewish Agency and later President of Israel, in a Speech on December 3, 1942, in New York.
     
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  19. Shy0ne

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    Injustice, far more than lies
    Im not a rumpster but no one on the planet lied more than hillary
    stop feeding our kids psychotropic drugs by the mits full and get the chemicals out of our food
    we are victims of our own doing
    For instance we invented polio in a lab, we provide the disease we provide the cure! Day late and a dollar short.
    guns dont kill people people kill people
    I have yet to see any style gun get up and kill people
     
  20. ~Zen~

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    Oh great.

    A new batch of lies!

    Where will this thread go next?
     
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