Why does everyone believe in conspiracy theories nowadays?

George Orwell quote, The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.

 

yeah I heard people describe Tulsi as a Russian operative and how insulting for people to make up that an active duty American soldier was being used as an operative when just because she didn’t for the center left demographic. The key elements of the Steele Dossier were absolutely intentionally fabricated to sell a known false narrative.

 

I have no reason to agree with anything not proven to be a fact.

Here it is! The 'Orthodoxy Test' I promised!

Painstakingly but Finally done!

1) Ok so here is the thus far indisputable official German Wannsee conference complete with all the official stamps and filing numbers etc.

If anyone disputes it make your case with equally credible official reference material.

2) One of the first sources trotted out by Tish and others to 'prove' Hitler was a sociopathic genocidial murderer is USHMM Holocaust web site.

3) USHMM (and countless other sites) all claim Wannsee 'proves' Hitlers "Final Solution"--(to the Jewish Question), was genocide, that Hitler and his Nazis are all genocidal sociopaths.

USHMM states: "The "Final Solution",
("Final Solution": "Final Solution" is a shortened version of the Nazi term, "the Final Solution of the Jewish Question," (die Endlösung der Judenfrage), which refers to the systematic mass destruction of Europe's Jews. ), was the Nazis' code name for the deliberate, carefully planned destruction, or genocide, of all European Jews. The Nazis used the vague term "Final Solution" to hide their policy of mass murder from the rest of the world. In fact, the men at Wannsee talked about methods of killing, about liquidation, about "extermination.""

"the Wannsee Conference was the place where the "Final Solution" View This Term in the Glossary was formally revealed to non-Nazi leaders who would help arrange for Jews to be transported from all over German-occupied Europe to SS-operated killing centers ("extermination" camps) in occupied Poland."

Holocaust Encyclopedia › content › en › article › the-final-solution
The "Final Solution" | Holocaust Encyclopedia May 11, 2021

The "Final Solution" was the tragic culmination of the Nazi persecution of Europe's Jews. As such, it is a key component of the Holocaust (1933-1945). To carry out the "Final Solution," the Germans coordinated and perpetrated the murder of Europe's Jews.

So to summarize the accusations Wannsee is alledged to prove:

Nazis had a carefully planned policy of:

• 1) Policy of Mass Murder.
  
  
• 2) Genocide.
  
  
• 3) Liquidation.
  
  
• 4) Extermination.
  
  
• 5) Methods of Extermination.
  
  
• 6) Methods of Liquidation.
  
  
• 7) Methods of Mass Killing.
  
  
• 8) Methods of Extermination.
  
  
• 9) Jews were to be transported to Poland to be murdered in Poland.
  
  
• 10) Jews were to be destroyed.
  
  
• 11) That the destruction, or genocide is systematic.

See the attached USHMM marked web page

Now that said, I have NEVER been able to find any evidence in the Wannsee Accords stating anything about:

Mass Murder.
Genocide.
Liquidation.
Extermination.
Method of Extermination.
Method of Liquidation.
Method of Mass Killing.
Method of Extermination.
Jews were to be transported to Poland to be murdered in Poland.
Jews were to be destroyed.
or that the destruction, or genocide is systematic.

So I would like the people here who have been making the same claim and you all know who you are to explain how this document in any way shape or form could possibly be construed as claimed?

Below see the official German records with the english translation with every suggested action highlighted for your convenience. If I missed any be sure to let me know and I will correct it.
















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There we have it. 100% authentic documents on the table for review.

So those who insist they know the Wannasee Conference is proof of a Nazi plan to commit genocide and murder all the Jews in Europe point out just where in the above document this can be found. I have not been able to find anything what so ever that validates the claim.

 

So first do you believe the left has also created crazy conspiracies but the Steele dossier isn’t one of them, or do you believe the left never creates crazy conspiracies? If it’s the former, aren’t we in agreement? In which case what’s the point of the question? Do you need to be right about every line item?

To answer specifically it seems to me the primary point of the dossier was to paint Trump as a Manchurian Candidate and there was never sufficient proof of that. I think it’s much more likely myself he’s just a narcissist moron and malevolent grifter. How about the salacious clickbait elements of the story? Trump is a dirtbag and. very likely a pedophile imo, which exactly why those unconfirmed elements were included. They reinforce conformation bias and help push a single source / u sourced narrative. Who is Steele? Shouldn’t a good journalist ask where he got the info and can they see it? Corroborate and validate sources? Do you feel like the Hunter Biden stories are given the same level of non-scrutiny?

 

Yeah imo running with unconfirmed, and partially confirmed, as well as confirmed long after the initial report, does not constitute journalism. The point was to push a narrative wether it was true or not. You can agree or disagree with that.

What I’m calling the left is the American political left. I did not say their conspiracy theories are on par with the maga morons. In fact I said the right is winning the race to the intellectual bottom. My point is the right does not own the method of pushing conspiracy theories to prop up a narrative, ie Bill Clinton’s great right wing conspiracy theory. I mentioned Tulsi’s treatment. Dismiss that or not, either is fine with me. Same with Steele. The idea that the military industrial complex killed Kennedy to prolong the war in Vietnam is largely a theory from the left. Maxine Waters; who i generally agree with in terms of policy, said the CIA was behind the crack epidemic to keep inner cities poor. So again, i’m not drawing equivalence, in fact I’ve said the opposite. I am saying it’s not that exclusively a maga problem.

Where btw is the investigation on hunter Biden? And where was it for Trump’s idiot kids. Why hasn’t Epsteins client list been released? Why is neither side clamoring for that?

 

Happy to disagree. You can continue the conversation as if i made no valid points at all

 

So how you doing on the wannsee where USHHM is claiming proves Hitler was out to murder all the Jews?

I dont think tish is going to come within 10,000 miles of that one how about you?

You argue the claims are valid right along with tish, support it

Im claiming I see nothing in that document that even at the greatest stretch of the meaning of the words implies Hitler was going to murder even one Jew.....

If you and @Tishmino and @scratcho cannot support the claim, it sounds to me like you have your own conspiracy theory

And if it cannot be proven, then how can it possibly be 'me' that is spreading disinfo as you all took turns claiming? We need explanations.

 

WOW!
You people seriously crack me up.
Your video claims that the 3 ovens could cremate 340 bodies/day.
Lets see...
A little math
Thats 113 bodies per day per oven.

Now lets add a few facts and look at a modern day oven:

https://science.howstuffworks.com › cremation1.htm
Cremating a Human Body: Getting Down to the Nitty Gritty - HowStuffWorks
An average human body takes from two to three hours to burn completely and will produce an average of 3 to 9 pounds (1.4 to 4.1 kilograms) of ash. The amount of ash depends usually on the bone structure of the person and not so much their weight [source: Ellenberg ].

So 2 - 3 hours to cremate a body, times 113 = 226 to 339 hours in a day!

Those nazis had some really long days.

I keep telling you people to refrain from posting opinion pieces that you have not thought through. I mean isnt there a point where it gets embarrassing for you?

Everyone knows there is only 110 hours in a day!

 

Did the video say they were one at a time?

 

Huh?
Its the same size as this text on my screen! Are you trying to read them on your wrist watch?

Oh well here, I will help!

Secret Reich Matter!
[red stamp]​

30 copies
16th copy

Protocol of Meeting.​

I. The following persons participated in the meeting on the final solution of the Jewish question,
held on 20 January 1942 at Am Grossen Wannsee 56-58, Berlin:

Gauleiter Dr Meyer and Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories
Reich Department Head Dr Leibbrandt

State Secretary Dr Stuckart Reich Ministry of the Interior

State Secretary Neumann Office of the Plenipotentiary for the Four Year Plan

State Secretary Dr Freisler Reich Ministry of Justice

State Secretary Dr Bühler Office of the Governor General

Undersecretary of State Luther Foreign Office

SS-Oberführer Klopfer Party Chancellery

Ministerial Director Kritzinger Reich Chancellery


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SS-Gruppenführer Hofmann Race and Settlement Main Office

SS-Gruppenführer Müller Reich Security Main Office
SS-Obersturmbannführer Eichmann

SS-Oberführer Dr Schöngarth Security Police and Security Service of the SS (SD)

Commander of the Security

Police and the Security Service of the SS (SD)

in the General Government

SS-Sturmbannführer Dr Lange Security Police and Security Service of the SS (SD)

Commander of the Security Police

and Security Service of the SS (SD) for the

General District Latvia, representing

the Commander of the Security Police

and the Security Service of the SS (SD)

for the Reich Commissariat Ostland.

II. SS-Obergruppenführer H e y d r i c h , Head of the Security Police and the SD, opened the
meeting with the announcement that the Reich Marshal had put him in charge of preparations for
the final solution of the Jewish question.

He noted that this conference had been convened to clarify fundamental questions.

The Reich Marshal's request to be sent a draft regarding the organisational, technical and material
aspects of the final solution of the Jewish question requires that all of the central agencies directly
involved with these questions address them jointly in advance in order to align their activities.


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The authority for directing the final solution of the Jewish question rests with the Reichsführer SS
and Head of German Police (Office of the Head of the Security Police and the SD), regardless of
geographical boundaries.

The Head of the Security Police and the SD then gave a brief review of the struggle conducted so
far against this foe. The most important elements are:

a) forcing the Jews out of the various spheres of life [Lebensgebiete] of the German people,
b) forcing the Jews out of the living space [Lebensraum] of the German people.

In pursuit of these endeavours, an intensified and planned effort was made to accelerate the
emigration of Jews from the Reich, as the only provisional solution available.

By order of the Reich Marshal, a Reich Central Office for Jewish Emigration was established in
January 1939; its direction was entrusted to the Head of the Security Police and the SD. Its
particular tasks were

a) to take all measures for the preparation of increased emigration of the Jews;
b) to direct the flow of emigration;
c) to speed up emigration in individual cases.


The aim of this task was to cleanse German living space of Jews by legal means.


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The disadvantages of such forced emigration methods were evident to all agencies concerned. Yet in
the absence of other feasible solutions they had to put up with them for the time being.

In the period that followed, the handling of emigration was not a German problem alone, but one

that had to be addressed by the relevant authorities of the destination or immigration countries too.

Financial difficulties such as the increases ordered by the governments of various foreign countries

in the financial means emigrants had to show upon landing and in landing fees, a lack of berths on

ships, and constantly tightening restrictions and bans on immigration, all posed an extraordinary

hindrance to efforts to emigrate. Yet despite these difficulties, a total of around 537,000 Jews were

induced to emigrate between the [Nazi] assumption of power and the cutoff date of 31 October

1941. Of these,

from 30.1.1933 from the Altreich [Germany before 1938] approx. 360,000

from 15.3.1938 from the Ostmark [Austria] approx. 147,000

from 15.3.1939 from the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia approx. 30,000.

Emigration was financed by the Jews or the Jewish political organisations themselves. In order to
make sure that the proletarianised Jews would not stay behind, it was determined that affluent Jews
had to finance the emigration of Jews without means; to this end, a contribution or emigration tax
based on individual wealth, was imposed, the proceeds being used to meet the financial obligations
incurred in the emigration of destitute Jews.
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In addition to this levy in Reichsmarks, foreign currency was required as evidence of means to be
presented upon arrival abroad and to pay landing fees. In order to conserve German foreign
currency reserves, Jewish financial institutions abroad were called upon by Jewish organisations in
this country to arrange for the provision of the required sums in foreign currency. Up to 30 October
1941, a total of about $ 9,500,000 all told was provided in this way by these foreign Jews as gifts.

In the meantime, the Reichsführer SS and Head of the German Police has forbidden any further
emigration of Jews in view of the dangers posed by emigration in wartime and in view of the
possibilities in the East.

III With appropriate prior authorisation from the Führer, emigration has now been replaced by
evacuation of the Jews to the East as another possible solution.

However, these operations should be regarded only as provisional options, though they are already
supplying practical experience of vital importance in view of the coming final solution of the
Jewish question.

In the course of this final solution of the Jewish question, roughly eleven million Jews will be taken
into consideration. They are distributed over the individual countries as follows:
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The figures listed here for Jews in the different countries, however, pertain only to those who are of
Jewish faith [Glaubensjuden] as definitions of Jews along racial lines are still lacking there to a
certain extent. Given the prevailing attitudes and opinions, the handling of the problem in the
individual countries will encounter certain difficulties, particularly in Hungary and Romania. For
instance, even today the Jew in Romania can still obtain for cash the appropriate documents that
certify officially that he is of foreign nationality.

The influence that Jews exert throughout the USSR is well known. Approximately five million Jews

live in the European part of Russia, barely a quarter of a million in the Asian part.

The distribution by occupation of Jews living in the European part of the USSR was roughly as

follows:

Agriculture 9.1 %

Urban workers 14.8 %

Trade 20.0 %

State employees 23.4 %

Private occupations,

medicine, press, theatre, etc. 32.7 %

In the course of the final solution, and under appropriate supervision, the Jews are to be utilised for work in the East in a suitable manner. In large labour columns, separated by sex, the Jews capable of working will be dispatched to these regions to build roads. In the process, a large portion will undoubtedly drop out through natural reduction.


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Those who ultimately should possibly get by will have to be given suitable treatment because they
unquestionable represent the most resistant part and therefore constitute a natural selection that, if
released, become the germ cell of renewed Jewish revival. (Witness the experience of history.)

In the course of the practical implementation of the final solution, Europe will be combed through
from West to East. Priority will have to be given to the territory of the Reich, including the
Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, if only because of the housing issue and other socio-political
needs.

The evacuated Jews will first be taken, group by group, to so-called transit ghettos, from where
they will be transported onwards to the East.

As SS-Obergruppenführer H e y d r i c h pointed out in addition, an important prerequisite for
carrying out the evacuation at all is a precise definition of the persons under consideration.

The intention is not to evacuate Jews over the age of 65, but to transfer them to an old-people's
ghetto Theresienstadt has been earmarked for this purpose.

In addition to these age groups of the 280,000 Jews living in the Altreich and the Ostmark on 31
October 1941, some 30 % are over 65 the old-people's ghetto will continue to receive severely
war disabled Jews and Jews with war decorations (Iron Cross First Class). This


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expedient solution will eliminate the many interventions at a stroke.

The start of the individual larger evacuation operations will depend to a great extent on military
developments. With regard to the manner in which the final solution will be carried out in those
European territories which we now either occupy or influence, it has been suggested that the
pertinent specialists in the Foreign Office should confer with the responsible official of the Security
Police and the SD.

In Slovakia and Croatia the situation is no longer all that difficult since the most essential key
questions in this respect have already been resolved there. In the meantime, the Romanian
government has likewise appointed a commissioner for Jewish affairs. In order to settle the matter in Hungary, in the near future it will be necessary to impose an adviser for Jewish questions on the Hungarian government.

With regard to the beginning of preparations for a settlement of this problem in Italy, SS-Obergruppenführer H e y d r i c h considers it appropriate to establish contact with the Head of Police regarding these matters.

In occupied and unoccupied France, the registration of Jews for evacuation will in all likelihood
be able to proceed without major difficulties.

Regarding this issue, Undersecretary of State L u t h e r remarked that the thorough treatment of
this problem will cause difficulties in some countries, notably the Nordic states, and that it is
therefore advisable to defer action in these countries


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for the time being. Given the insignificant number of Jews involved there, such a postponement will
in any case not amount to any substantial curtailment.

By contrast, the Foreign Office foresees no major difficulties in South-Eastern and Western Europe.

SS-Gruppenführer H o f m a n n intends to send a specialist from the Race and Settlement Main
Office to Hungary for general orientation when the Head of the Security Police and the SD begins
tackling the matter over there. It was decided that this specialist from the Race and Settlement Main
Office who is not to become actively involved be officially assigned as an assistant to the Police
Attaché on a temporary basis.

IV. For the implementation of the final solution, the Nuremberg Laws should form the basis to a
certain extent, though the solution to issues pertaining to mixed marriages and Mischlinge is also a
prerequisite for clearing up the problem completely.

With reference to a letter from the Head of the Reich Chancellery, the Head of the Security Police
and the SD thereupon discussed for the moment still theoretically the following issues:

1) Treatment of first-degree Mischlinge [persons of Jewish and Non-Jewish parents/grandparents]

First-degree Mischlinge will be treated as Jews in regard to the final solution of the Jewish question.


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The following will be exempt from this treatment:

a) First-degree Mischlinge married to persons of pure German blood, if the marriage has resulted in
children (second-degree Mischlinge). These second-degree Mischlinge will essentially be treated as
Germans.

b) First-degree Mischlinge who have up to now been granted exemptions in some selected spheres
of life by the highest authorities of Party and state. Each individual case must be reviewed, whereby
the possibility cannot be ruled out that the new decision may be again to the Mischling's
disadvantage.

The prerequisites for granting any exemption must always be the fundamental merit of the
Mischling in question himself. (The merits of the German-blooded parent or spouse do not count).
Any first-degree Mischling to be exempted from evacuation will be sterilised in order to prevent
any progeny and to settle the Mischling problem once and for all. Sterilisation will be voluntary, but
it is the precondition for remaining in the Reich. The sterilised "Mischling" will henceforth be
exempt from all restrictive provisions to which he was previously subjected.

2) Treatment of second-degree Mischlinge

Second-degree Mischlinge will be treated in principle as persons of German blood, except in the
following instances when second-degree Mischlinge will be treated as Jews:


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a) The second-degree Mischling is the descendent of a bastard marriage (both spouses being
Mischlinge).

b) The racial appearance of a second-degree Mischling is particularly unfavourable, in which case
he will be classed with the Jews already based on his external appearance.

c) A particularly negative police and political assessment of the second-degree Mischling, indicating
that he feels and behaves like a Jew.

Even in such cases, no exceptions are to be made if the second-degree Mischling is married to a
person of German blood.

3) Marriages between full Jews and persons of German blood

Here it must be decided on a case by case basis whether the Jewish spouse should be evacuated or,
taking into account the effect of such a measure on the German relatives of these mixed marriages,
be transferred to an old-people's ghetto.

4) Marriages between first-degree Mischlinge and persons of German blood

a) No children
If the marriage has remained childless, the first-degree Mischling will be evacuated or transferred to
an old-people's ghetto. (The same treatment as in marriages between full Jews and persons of
German blood; point 3)


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b) With children
If children have resulted from the marriage (second-degree Mischlinge), they will, if they are to be
treated as Jews, be evacuated or sent to a ghetto along with the first-degree Mischling. If these
children are to be treated as Germans (standard cases), they are exempted from evacuation, as is
therefore the first-degree Mischling.

5) Marriages between first-degree Mischlinge and first-degree Mischlinge or Jews

In these marriages, all parties (including children) will be treated as Jews and therefore
evacuated or transferred to an old-people's ghetto.

6) Marriages between first-degree Mischlinge and second-degree Mischlinge

Both spouses will be evacuated or transferred to an old-people's ghetto, regardless of whether or not they have children, because, as a rule, any offspring of such marriages will, racially speaking, have
stronger Jewish blood than second-degree Mischlinge.

SS-Gruppenführer H o f m a n n is of the view that extensive use must be made of sterilisation,
particularly because once the Mischling


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faces the choice between evacuation and sterilisation, he will prefer to undergo sterilisation.

State Secretary Dr S t u c k a r t noted that the practical implementation of the possible solutions
regarding mixed marriages and Mischling questions just discussed would, in this form, constitute
endless administrative work. In order to take into account the biological aspects as well, State
Secretary Dr S t u c k a r t suggested that forced sterilisation be embarked upon.

To simplify the problem of mixed marriages, further possibilities should be considered, with the
objective, for instance, of the legislator simply ruling: "these marriages are hereby dissolved"

With regard to the question of how the evacuation of the Jews will affect the economy, State
Secretary N e u m a n n stated that Jews currently working in industries essential to the war effort
could not be evacuated as long as there were no replacements for them.

SS-Obergruppenführer H e y d r i c h pointed out that on the basis of the guidelines approved by
him for the implementation of the evacuations currently underway, these Jews would not be
evacuated anyway.

State Secretary Dr B ü h l e r declared that the General Government would welcome it if the
final solution of this question were to begin in the General Government, because for one thing the
transportation problem was not of overriding importance there,


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and because issues related to labour deployment would not impede the course of this operation.
Jews should be removed from the territory of the General Government as rapidly as possible
because it is precisely there that the Jew constitutes an eminent danger as a carrier of epidemics and
he also constantly disrupts the economic structure of the region through his continuous illicit
trading. Moreover, the majority of the around 2 ½ million Jews in question are unfit for work.

State Secretary Dr B ü h l e r noted further that the Head of Security Police and SD is in charge of
the solution of the Jewish question in the General Government, and that the administrative
authorities of the General Government would assist him in his work. He had only one favour to ask:
that the Jewish question in this territory be solved as quickly as possible.

In conclusion the various types of possible solution were discussed. Here, Gauleiter Dr M e y e r
and State Secretary Dr B ü h l e r both took the position that in connection with the final solution
certain preparatory measures should be carried out in the occupied territories at once, but in such a
way that the population there would not become apprehensive.

The meeting was closed with the request of the Head of Security Police and the SD that all
participants in today's deliberations give him the appropriate support in implementing the tasks
connected with the solution.






The above conference is claimed to be PROOF that the nazis were all about EXTERMINATION, ANIHILATION, KILLING, LIQUIDATION, MURDER, GENOCIDE!


I see incredible prejudice but Im sorry, I dont see anything in there that remotely even with my imagination stretched as far as I possibly can that the Nazis were going to harm so much as one hair on any Jews head?

Now we are all sure everyone can see it.

 

the length of time it takes to cremate a body or bodies is based on the mass. if you stuff 10 bodies in one oven it will actually take more than 10 times longer to cremate the 10 bodies than one at a time.

That would come out to 5 bodies per oven per day, every day round the clock, and the records have proven that they bought no where near enough coke to accomplish such a thing.

Think of it like burning 10000 match sticks in a fire one at a time versus a 10000 (a small log) wrapped in one bundle. It takes much longer to get the bundle up to a combustible temp than tossing one in at a time.

Typhus was far more contagious than covid because the bugs fly and land on you then bite you. That is why they were required to get their hair cut and were issued a uniform when brought into the camps to prevent everyone Germans included from getting typhus.

 

I didnt say that right

Lets try that again:

To get the number that nonsense video claims that would require each oven to dispose of 5 bodies per burn cycle 23 times per day per oven and those 5 bodies would have to decompose 3x faster than a single body per oven which physics tells us is totally impossible.

Modern crematories cant even burn one body that fast!

Now the way I see it, if its not physically possible to accomplish its a made up story. Everyone beliefs these opinion pieces, and THAT is why I always demand hard material evidence and THAT is why they can NEVER PRODUCE any!

Most of the stuff I see out here is garbage. That video also talks about the most brutal worst nazi atrocity as they show perfectly healthy fat kids that were photographed on liberation day. Most of these films do that, they say one thing while showing you exactly the opposite. Its highly sophisticated programming.

Even the americans ran up against the typhus epidemic but they just came out with DDT, something the germans did not have for delousing.

When joining the armed services in the states the first thing they do is shave everyones heads (men) hit the showers and get a uniform and boots.

When I was a child head lice was common, there was always one kid or another with a shaved head in school.







There is a pic of a soldier being dusted down with DDT to prevent typhus, the only thing germany had was cyanide.

Of course DDT kills a lot more than just lice.

 

@ ShyOne.

Are you saying that the Jewish genocide figures are inflated or even non-existent , and that the Nazis were not paranoid about them !

What do you have to say about the gypsy genocide and Russian Holocaust during the Nazi invasion of U.S.S.R !

World War II casualties of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia