Why do you need to be awesome to make lsd?

Talk to any chemist who has read and understands the instructions, and they'll tell you it's not exactly something that most people could do. I doubt you could make the glassware for the synth - those test tubes that run in the hundreds of dollars cost that much for a reason.

Like polymer said, it's the ET that's the hardest part. Hofmann had very little lab equipment (there are pictures on the net of the things he used to create the molecule) but that was because he already had ET. SWIM has looked into this in a serious manner, he wants to do it and nothing else, even other RC's which would be less of a hassle to make, and he's told me that it's very hard. Not impossible, but hard. Impossible for an average person in that most people aren't going to have the drive to find ET (a kilogram is worth around 600,000$ as of around 2000), purchase thousands of dollars worth of glassware and other lab equipment (even if you could make it yourself, you're going to have to buy glass, and it's going to take several attempts to get it right, things break, etc) without turning heads, find a place to do it (again without turning heads - even Pickard got caught), do it several times to get it right (how many kids have screwed up basic high school chem experiements?), perform washes....all to get a product that you then have to lay on sheets or geltabs or whatever (which gets you VERY high in the process - not necessarily a bad thing), which won't even make you THAT much money? Only people with 1. good connections, 2. lots of starting capital, 3. a real drive to do it and 4. ...some other stuff.

Tell me about Ibogaine...you intrigued me with your comment about how much more difficult than synthesizing LSD it is.

 

Take a basic chemistry class in Community College.... That should put it into perspective

 

Ibogaine has an unstable, 7-membered ring attached to the indole-base, plus it's a 3-D molecule, and it has chiral centers (this is what makes it hard to manipulate, especially since one is near a Nitrogen); it's a derivative of nicotinic acid (niacin), and Shulgin points out in Tihkal that there's no practical or easy way to synth it from nicotinic acid, to get any decent yields; he didn't even site a synth procedure. It's pretty tough to make.

on a synthesis difficulty scale of 1 - 10 (with the necessary lab conditions present), Ibogaine is an 11; LSD is a 7.5, maybe an 8.

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal25.shtml

this is an example of when a plant extraction is much more practical than an all-out synthesis.


now for contrast, read this entry (for LSD), and look at that molecule

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml

the synth is fairly straight-forward; absence of light, Chlorine, and excessive basic conditions, are the important elements of producing a product that will be psychoactive.

the precursors are the only things preventing myself and a colleague from potentially synthing it; especially during this time of political strife, an acid wave is probably just the thing society could use right about now.

 

about 2000 dollars worth of glass ware is needed i believe

 

i'm no expert,but just wondering...couldn't that glassware be improvised?

 

i am graduating with a double major in chemistry and recombinant gene technology. not quite "hotshit" yet, but maybe one day. that being said, like any technique that is particularly complicated or requires fine precision, chemical operations take practice to get right. example: would you know how to set up a kit to distill something? its not simple. do you feel comfortable vacuum filtering mixtures? no doubt, the entire time, you will be wondering "am i doing this right?" i suppose in theory you could try. but i do imagine it would be a lot easier for a chemist who perhaps knows something about these chemicals, what their labels mean, how to handle and dispose of waste properly, their properties...as well as experience with the techniques. its not all stirring, you know?

 

yeah, but i would argue that there is so much information stuffed down your throat during those four (or five) years that , while you may have a general idea of the process requires, you cannot be expected to synthesize any random chemical upon request. maybe i am one of those people you are talking about, but i've found that my education has primarily been useful so that i can actually halfway understand what the fuck they are saying in the journal articles and books. example, i've learned about the whole metabolic pathway but i can't recite it to you off the top of my head (though i will have to if i go to grad school). if you do research, you tend to get very involved in what you are studying, rather than acquire a broad range of knowledge.

 

i've known kids who were bookworms, all theory. when it came time to applying the theory in the lab, they were awkward. I'm the opposite, practically a lab virtuoso

quantitative analysis lab is one of the most useful courses you're going to take in chem..it's where you hone your titration, weighing, and dimensional analysis skills, with great precision. you can't carry out synthesis, unless you master some sort of precision.
I remembered this for myself the other night, when I goofed (it's rare, but it happens) on some measurements, did some improv, and ended up with some beta-carboline, and some mono substituted-tryptamine; though it was psychoactive (colorful moving patterns, color sine waves and lines, for about 8 minutes).

 

you're my hero polymer!

i have never attempted it.

 

lol

I forgot to add some methanol to the solution, and added it late; so I ended up with some other funky tryptamine

next time, I won't smoke Diesel (or any bud for that matter) before I initiate the reaction.

 

who said I was in a lab?

this is "extra-curricular"

 

nope, done on a table under a ventilation duct, with 24/40 glassware, magnetic stir plate, fiberglass mantle, and ACS grade reagents. I commute to my colleague's house to do this, rather than attempt it in my apartment;
my whimsical project to convert a mundane dietary supplement into one of the most intriguing compounds known to man.

i tried the process again yesterday, and may have got it right. my friend isn't answering his phone

 

dammit...
he said no dice; we're probably going to figure out a different approach; trying to disubstitute tryptamine in the presence of even a weak acid seems to lend itself to cyclization, giving beta-carbolines, or mono-subbed indole crap.

 

From reading this as someone who absolutly could not do this, well without someone actually showing me how. It seems "possible" to do with enough determination, so keep on trying...more acid floating around is always fine with me.

 

oh nahh...I wasn't trying to make acid; I can't get e.t. (ergotamine tartrate) nor dimethylamine. I do wish I had those. Technically they could be made (derived from other syntheses), but it would be messy and hazardous, not to mention very tedious.

 

First of all, LSD is needed right now. Our time is disected, analyzed, connected and exploited by technology, media and most of our friends and family. We are connected by cell phones, PDA's, and God knows what else.

Everyone, take off your cell for a few hours, disconnect and find a nice comfortable place in your living room or beautiful natural surrounding with a couple of good friends, good music, some drinks (for later) and weed and take at least 80-400+ micrograms (obviously the 400 mics for the experienced psychonauts) of LSD and enjoy the timeless voyage.

The reason why LSD is scarce is because the two gentlemen who produced 95% of it were busted. I'm sure I had a lot of their product back in the day (1985-1990) because it was so clean and predictable. Very nice, creative, intellectual, colorful stuff.

Bad and often erroneous press didn't help.

So, someone please make tons of it (the mean, mean world needs it)and until then remember your "Set and Setting" guidelines kiddies and take those lovely mushrooms and hold down the psychedelic fort.

 

Common LSD, being of the strangest drugs, available to people on the
black market, is not too hard to make in your average run-of-the-mill
kitchen. LSD (Lysergic acid Diethylamide) is a complex organic mixure that
gives some people (most) a trip to the moon or other nearby celestial
body.


ITEMS NEEDED:
----- ------

1-About 200-250 grams of MORNING GLORY SEEDS or BAY HAWAIIAN WOOD ROSE
SEEDS. The Morning Glory seeds can be obtained at most plant nurseries.

2-200 cc. of petroleum ether

3-Small piece of window screen or a strainer

4-A couple of large glasses

5-cookie tray (an old one, never to be used again)

6-260 cc. of wood alcohol (call your local drug store).

7-Capsule containers (jel)

=========================================================================

Let's get started:

1. Grind up about 170 grams of Morning Glory Seeds.

2. In 145 cc. of petroleum ether, soak the seeds for two or three days.

3. With screen, filter the liquid thru it and save the seed mush and
allow it to dry completely.

4. Let the mush soak in 130 cc. of wood alcohol.

5. Filter solution again only. Save the liquid in a large glass jar.

6. Soak the seed mush again in 130 cc. of wood alcohol for two more days.

7. Filter out the mush and keep the liquid. Now, get the liquid that was
saved in step 5.

8. Now, pour both liquids in a cookie tray and let it dry.

9. When all the liquid has dried, a yellowish gummy looking substance will
appear on the cookie sheet.

10. Take the yellow gum and put this into capsules.

 

The LSD is gone and the war on psychedelics is winning. It is unbelievably difficult to make and to obtain the right substances to make it with (eating moldy rye won't do it.) The makers of the LSD that you consumed are in jail - all of them pretty much. If you see acid today at all it is what is known as "analog acid" missing some of the essential components for the real deal high. You get a body high and if you are imaginative you might see things more colorfully than otherwise - not that I know from experience or anything. And it costs about $20. And I thought gas prices had gone up. Someday we will meet again old friend and that day will be glorious. Ahem, until then, fungi do, in fact, abound so dig in while you can.
As a side note, can you imagine if the Leary vision had been accomplished and people looking to "reprogram" themselves could go to their neighborhood center and sit down for a legal, safe, and regulated high administered by professionals. During the high you would be subjected to the information you had provided them with so you could tap specific messages (of whatever nature) more directly into your subconscious. Crazy huh? We weren't so far from that happening once. Ah well. I suppose the age of acceptance has yet to come. It will be more likely after the age of fear of insanity and mental disease comes to an end.

 

You don't stomp out a black market product with law enforcement, you just drive the price up.

Meth killed acid. It's simple economics. LSD is non-addictive, more or less. Crank is massively addictive. Each separate user/dealer/wholesaler is a potential law enforcement "in", so the fact that LSD users buy infrequently, requiring many many many more users to buy all of your last batch, vs. notoriously monomaniacal tweekers, is a huge downside. LSD is much more difficult in terms of equipment and raw materials to produce than crank is. If you're a chemist/cook, PROFESSIONALLY, why are you risking a lifetime in jail (in either case) for less than maximum profit? Jesus god, actual crystal meth hasn't existed since the mid '90s, and that's with more and more affluent (ahem) clubgoers willing to pay premium for "the good shit". Nasty-ass industrial grade bathtub crank is just too much more cost effective to produce, even though there's a market for the alternative. What chance does acid have?

Then again, what exactly does it take to cook up E? Oh, right, addiction. Fucking bastard-ass market forces.

What I wonder is, doses are tiny, you can conceal them in anything from a sheet of notebook paper to a roll of SweetTarts to a tester phial of perfume, they're undetectable to drug-sniffing dogs (?), why the fuck can't somebody smuggle some across the border? Penalties for production/distribution in Canada have to be much much less, and probably selectively non-existant in Mexico. Additionally, that's the one damn time it would make economic sense, when its compact and undetectable nature (vs. huge bales of green stuff that reek from a mile away, at least) would make it cost effective for smuggling purposes. Remember the legend about John Lennon flying over with enough pure acid to dose all of London? One phial. How much BC Bud would it take to smoke out all of Seattle? A railroad car full? Five? Fifty?

I guess I'll just have to wait until every potential US, Canadian, and Mexican tweaker is as gacked out as (sub)humanly possible. Then maybe someone'll cook up a batch, throw it in their glove box, drive it across the Peace Arch, and I can fry balls again.

Last time I got actual acid was in Olympia in either 2000 or 2001, at All Freakin' Night, Oly Film Fest's all night B-horror marathon... I peaked during the part in Dead Alive [aka Brain Dead] when he takes the lawnmower to all the zombies and is calf-deep in blood. Hell Yes Motherfucker.

I hate 'shrooms, the sludgy high reminds me of too many 104 degree fever induced dementia-nightmares I used to have as a kid. Never had a bad trip on acid, rarely if ever had a good one w/shrooms.

 

No, LSD is a single, precisely defined chemical compound.

The procedure you posted does NOT produce LSD. It is a simple extraction, which will give a crude mixture of ergot alkaloids (lysergic acid amide, mainly) and other junk which will produce a psychoactive effect.