Why do we have to pay for everything?

But as an automous individual, we have the right to kick said expectant man to the curb, all were saying is that as autonomus individuals, you all have the right and option of doing the same.

 

sorry, did you not detect my sarcasam?

And as for havig self respect, the same could be said for all of you who feel you have to pay. You dont, its a choice. Society puts pressure on me to be thin, doesnt mean I have to, I have a choice.

 

Thank you, ladies, for your very *sarcasm* empowering *sarcasm* viewpoint that it is our choice to not date women that try to take advantage of us. Have you really spent 9 thread pages making that point?

I see on the Women's Issues forum, some complain fairly often about being expected to be thin. And about being expected to put out. Rather than having a bunch of men jump down there throat and say "it's your own choice, looser," generaly the men who show up are sympathetic, ask what they can do to help, or talk about how they recognise the problem and are already doing something to help.

Unless, of course, they're the confrontational "women are the source of all misery" types. You're not here to be like that, right?

So please, enough with the "you have to change yourself before the world will change" speil. We all get that. And we got it before you started talking about it.

 

Yeah but mynameiskc isn't like that, so you're wrong.

 

Well you boys offered a problem, were just trying to tell you how to fix it, if you dont want help, then dont whinge on a public forum

 

Well, your solution is "find a woman who doesn't expect to be carried financially".

They are very few and far between.

 

and as for the womens issues thread being largely about problems with men, your largely wrong, most womens issues threads are about PMS, or UTIs or thrush, or being pregnant.

 

Sorry, I didn't read the dialogue leading up to the last couple of posts. I don't feel I have to pay, I do it out of generosity. A think it is only appropriate if the person who invites the other person to the date pays for it. Unless it is in an ongoing relationship, then the couple should communicate and decide how the expences should be shared.


As far as pressure to be skinny, be realistic. Some men prefer thin women, some men prefer heavier women. Personally, I think a majority of men prefer their women to be of a "healthy" wieght and that society has nothing to do with this preference. To me, physique is very much a reflection of activity level and lifestyle. I prefer an active, adventurous and athletic type and, for the most part, overweight women will tend to not be of this type. Sexually speaking, I would also prefer to be with someone who is not overweight. I tend to be much more sexually attracted to someone who is not overweight. Again, I think that society has nothing to do with my preference.

For the most part, if one maintains adequate personal health then they will be physically fit. What is so difficult about that. Many ladies act like it is such an unreasonable "pressure". All it takes is some self discipline and a healthy lifestyle. What is wrong with pressure to be healthy?

Granted, there are cases of clinical problems where it is extremely difficult to impossible to maintain a healthy weight. This is a disibility where the individual has little or no control over. Society needs to be very sensitive and not criticize or look down upon these people.

 

No theyre not, perhaps you are just projecting the wrong image of yourself, thus making people believe that you are willing to do so? Thus reinforcing your own problem.

 

"It's your fault"

The refrain of the modern liberated woman.

 

I've got to agree. There ARE women who are not like that, but they are rare. There are also a lot of women who think they are not like that, but deep down they are still impressed by money.

 

FeelingGroovy - mynameiskc isn't like that, so you're wrong. And maybe the fault lies with you - the way you present yourself. That's why you get taken advantage of.

Jesus Christ.

I am so frigging done.

 

ever agent contributes to their own problems in some way, and since you cant change what other people do, then change what you do. This shit is simple guys, it can be applied to anything.

The womens lib movement didnt happen becuase a bunch of lasses sat around complaining, they made the public private and the private public. They got off their asses and did something, they made changes. If you want to make somethin gchange, you have to use whatever power you have to make a difference. As an individual autonomus member of society, your power lies in the choices you make.

 

Well, I choose to never make any attempt at understanding or discussing anything personal with a human female. I'll work with, socialise with, etc. women don't get me wrong, I don't hate them - but only in ways in which gender literally doesn't matter.

 

Hey, I'm not complaining about the perceived gender roles. I'm just stating my views and opinions.


I'm very picky about who I date.

As my 89 year old grandmother puts it: "It's good for you to be picky. The last thing you want to do is end up with some tramp that uses you and takes all your money!"

 

it did. till i decided to stop going out with those guys. seriously. as a woman i don't feel obligated to follow the so-called feminist mantras and marches if i don't agree with them, i have my own life and opinions. i can't control the perception of every man or woman who comes my way, but i CAN change my behavior, and if they don't like it, they can stuff it. we all know that beating your spouse is wrong, but if you keep choosing abusive mates, WHO has become the problem? rape is horrible, but you can often make better choices that will lessen the possibility of assault. you want a job with better pay? get your damned education and start working. start EARNING a position that pays well. personal preparation and personal decisions are essential to getting yourself a better life and better treatment. you don't deserve to be treated as some bitch's personal piggy bank, so don't let "her" treat you that way.

 

no person is truly unique, goth. myself included. water seeks it's own level, and it's been my experience that the sort of people you attract are people of your own level. i can't speak for all the feminists of the world. to be perfectly honest, i've never been interested in doing so. i'm too much a believer in personal responsiblity to jump on the collectivist bandwagon, unless it peaks my interest in arguing.

of COURSE we all know the money grubbing twat who just wants you around to buy her breast implants and watch her kids. but she keeps getting this losers who'll do it because they want her hot ass. i have a hard time feeling sorry for someone in that relationship, so far as i can tell, it's mutually beneficial to a pair of lowlifes.

we also know that person who sticks around in an abusive relationship, or continually chooses abusive relationships. you know what? these people have resources now, sticking around becomes a personal decision. waiting for someone to rescue you just doesn't work. i've never been rescued, i've never known anyone who was.

goth, you piss me off because i know you're smart. but one of the problems with smart people is the difficulty in admitting they're wrong about someone. and to be totally honest, i AGREE with you on a lotta shit about women, i truly do. we're only human. but your complete denial in the good side really chaps my ass. i think you're too smart for it.

 

Fucking christ! Did you read anything I said, Retro? Stop preaching to me about how I have to change my life before I can expect to world to change. I heard that speach often enough in activism 101, and I'm up to the 400 level courses now.

So maybe we could all finaly agree that yes, it's a problem, and yes, we're actually going to have to do something about it, and move on from there, instead of just trying to find more minute points to haggle over?

 

RE: goth, you piss me off because i know you're smart. but one of the problems with smart people is the difficulty in admitting they're wrong about someone. and to be totally honest, i AGREE with you on a lotta shit about women, i truly do. we're only human. but your complete denial in the good side really chaps my ass. i think you're too smart for it.

I don't get to see the good sides, I'm afraid.

YellowBellyHippy asked me flippantly in another thread if I was gay. If I was gay, rest assured I would care absolutely less about women, cause they would be to me like the Taleban - some foreign group of whack jobs I'll never have to deal with in my lifetime, apart from the occasional plane flown into a tower which will wreck my civil rights in the backlash.

 

" apart from the occasional plane flown into a tower which will wreck my civil rights in the backlash."