Why Do Organisms tend to exist?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Wolfman's Brother, Mar 21, 2014.

  1. Wolfman's Brother

    Wolfman's Brother Member

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    I was thinking today that because of our suffering,we invented things like art,philosophy,science,religion,music... so that we can give our self some comfort in this life if we wouldn't be suffering why would we even need this things?. I also view friendship and love a product of suffering,if you would not be suffering why would love or friendship be even needed. So suffering in the end produces something good.


    Although life is beautiful sometimes it is mostly hard we suffer most of the time,and the good times only lasts for a very short period of time. I view death as something good and more powerful than life (death lasts for eternity when life only lasts for some decades). When this life ends you enter into an eternity of peace freed from whatever kind of suffering. But I still can't figure out why people want to live for an eternity or want to be reincarnated,... this sounds like hell for me.

    because of my views I feel isolated from everyone else, I do have plenty of friends but I still feel lonely because I can not communicate things that are important for me,I do talk with them but they just agree with me and they don't give me any different point of view and even if they do they are very illogical and I just stop discussing such things with them.( why even bother why would I try to convert others into believing in my point of view)
    I'm sorry if this has turned into some off topic post,but I'm always surrounded by people and I always feel lonely, and I can't figure whats wrong with me,I meditate,I do not drift into the past or future most of the times I'm in the moment and I still can't feel satisfied. I have a feeling that something is missing. I'm thinking of dropping out of school because it is stopping my so called "research",I don't know do you think that I need a girlfriend,.... really sorry for this off topic post but it would be great if someone could give me some advice.
     
  2. guerillabedlam

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    I'll speak primarily for music because that's probably what I'm best at but much music is made out of joy. A lot of the music I tend to favor the most to play on the guitar represents some kind of suffering because you are right it does help with coping and comfort but there are whole key signatures which most generally figure represent a happy or joyous state, which we could say is more about a celebratory notion of life.

    Science tries to detach emotion from the equation and only relay experiences which are observable and can be replicated to verify. Naturally I think some aspect of human emotions enters the equation particularly when interpreting data but I'm not sure how you get that science is representative of suffering more than say curiosity.

    I can only read so much into your posts but it seems to me you have a very narrow scope of some of these topics and only retain a self affirming notion of them. That is to say you see in these topics only what you want to see while dismissing a wealth of perspective which suggests at least a more neutral perspective of suffering and joy.

    I mean I tend to be pessimistic so I can kind of relate with you in some sense but maybe broadening your horizons of these particular topics will help you relate better with others.
     
  3. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    The number and type of calculations performed by the brain of a Cheetah as its hunting down its prey existed long before Newton, Fourier and Fermat made the corresponding "discoveries" in their respective fields. And long before the Cheetah, the brains of Velociraptors doing similar calculations

    art,philosophy,science,religion,music - Humans didnt invent any of it. For each category you'd find at least a rudimentary example in the animal kingdom long before humans. A pack of wolves howling at the moon is a type of religion. And sometimes far more complex examples such as the cheetah, or dolphin accents in language we still havent caught up with. You'd be hard pressed to find a single example of something that didnt exist before humans "invented" it

    Kind of the whole point isnt it?, you should always be hungry so you keep trying.

    You are always going to want what you dont have and get bored too quickly when you do get it. Welcome to the human condition
     
  4. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    So the brain and the accompanying nervous system can be explained wholly by physics, but just the same purposeful biology exists independently for human beings in time.

    Purposefully, there should be a justification that the five definitions for a living organism be exhaustive:

    1. It is a self-organizing thermodynamic system.

    2. It requires a source for feeding it's energy and development.

    3. It must fight the tendency to disease and have a discoverable therapeutic reality.

    4. It must have replication of individuality of the similar form of species viz. geometric multiplication.

    5. Each individual member of a Species has the limited time within the Environment before the failure of life for death occurs.
     
  5. oscar2u

    oscar2u Banned

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    Natural selection as described by Darwin and others. If organisms lack in a desire to survive they do not survive. ...Oscar
     
  6. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    Wrong. I say this just because the religious time meaning of my past life is irresolvable to the idea later (in these forums) as any indiviudual's decision to struggle in the Life at Philosophy (as opposed to regular competitive work).:bobby:
     

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