Why do I want to watch my wife fuck another guy?

i posted the following thread that was based on this same topic, or something very similar, but got no reaction.
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=457188&f=65

anyway, i basically feel a bit guilty that i have been my wifes only lover, and she was a cock virgin when i met her when she was almost 27y/o.

we often talk about her never having experienced another guy, but i think from our conversations that she is most definately very curious, but insists that if she did ever have sex with another guy, it had to be someone she kind of knows and trusts, who is clean, who is patient, and she wants him to be more well hung than i am, just to experience a bigger cock and to kill her curiosity about "does size really matter"

i have probably pushed her along a bit by telling her that i would support her if she wants to try it, but for us, finding the right way to go about it is the issue, because she thinks that by me allowing her to have sex with another guy is an excuse for me to also want to fuck another woman, and although for me to fuck another woman isnt the motivation here, i certainly wouldnt knock it back if my wife was also ok with it.

so, do we find a willing guy for her as a solo, or do we find a willing couple who we both trust to get together with.

it is definately a turn on for both of us when we discuss this topic thats for sure

 

I'd breach the subject to her carefully---Filipinas have been well indoctrinated with Catholicism, and many of them (but not all of them) want to maintain the appearance that they are not a 'bad girl' including to themselves. That means that even if they relish the idea of taking on another lover, and even after they do, they want to continue to convince themselves that they are not 'that kind' of girl.

 

GAP----my previous post is not for you-----it looks like you have already got the question together, though I am not at all surprised about her initial reaction of whether or not you want to have sex with another girl----their jealousy is always the first thing to strike out, isn't it. Hope you keep us updated.

By the way, I have a few pictures of my wife up on my profile as well. My own thoughts would be to just find a guy at first----let her experience that a few times so that when you do find a couple, she is more comfortable with the sexual freedom of allowing you to enjoy it too. Unfortunately-----my wife would probably not allow such an experience. But I still really enjoy sharing her...

 

her reaction to my proposal that she try sex with another guy i expected, she often asks if i ever get sick of her after 22 years together (sick of the sex i mean) and i honestly tell her that i dont, its been great, i cant complain, but yes of coarse i do wonder what it would be like having sex with another woman after all this time, but it isnt my motivation to allow her to do it wih another guy.

we have decided that our first forey into her experiencing someone of the opposite sex is for both of us to join up with another couple for a combined group Nuru massage which my wifes friend will be arranging for us sometime very soon (she has a Nuru massage room in her home, and we both have regular joint massages given by her once a week as a couple)

it will be very interesting to see how my wife copes when we do get together with this couple, all i know is that she is happy that i will be there with her to share it with, even tho she and the other guy will be sharing a nuru massage together (both giving and receiving) while me and his partner will be on the same rubber mattress giving each other a massage as well, at least we can see how it all pans out, and i should point out that at the moment, the nuru massages we will be sharing with this other couple will not eventuate in sexual penetration by me or the other guy on the respective massage partners, this will be just the actual full body nuru massage (its sexual but done in a very tasteful way)

i was hoping to get some comments in my thread so i can update it as i go along, but anyway, i might share it later on when it all happens.

EDIT: i just saw your photos in your profile, i wasnt aware that your wife was also filipino (she is very nice i might add) so can i ask what part she is from, as she look like she "may" be a visaya (from cebu or around that area) however i could very well be wrong, as it is sometimes very hard to determine where any of them actually come from

 

Thanks for the advice, I'm hoping she will relish the idea, but yeah, I need to tread carefully. Outwardly, she appears very shy but in the sack she's hot stuff....she can't get enough. I just need to find the right moment to bring up the topic.

 

The nuru massage sounds like a great idea, and you never know how this may end up. Keep us posted

 

i may open a new thread on the topic of Nuru Massage because it is such a wonderful thing to experience with the right person, in the right environment, and using the right lotions and potions.

and yes, we have been having my wifes friend (45y/o filipino/japanese lady) giving up both a joint nuru massages for over a year now at her home, and it just seemed the logical path to take, rather than going out trying to sus some guy out, just for the wife to have sex with to kill her curiosity (and mine for that matter)

i know she will be fine having a nuru massage with another guy with me being there on the same rubber mattress having a massage with another woman, so it should be very interesting indeed.

 

Thank you for the compliment on my wife, GAP. Her father is from Cavite (The province bordering Manila to the South East) and her mother is from Batangas (which is to the South of Manila). They say you are not supposed to mix the blood of those two provinces----and yes--she can have a real temper... She grew up mainly in Batangas, but also spent a lot of time in Manila.

She always says that Visayan's are Kalundi----meaning that they are always flirty and horney. That has always made me curious to spend a night with a Visayan----though I couldn't see how they could be any more flirty and horney than any other Filipina--because they all seem to be that way...

I lived in Japan for many years (which is where we actually met) and I heard the Japanese say the same thing about women from the Southern Islands such as Okinawa or Kyushu. Politely, they would say that such women 'have a big heart.'

I suspect that the situation in the Philippines seems to be filled with so much sexual tension because it was not so long ago that the Spanish forced their standards of Western morality and religion on the Filipinos---a few hundred years---and that prior to that they were naturally very sexually active like one found clear accross the Pacific. And by natural, I am speaking in terms of true human nature. We, on the other hand have been oppressed by these Western morals for a few thousand years.

This human nature is why a woman is more vocal during sex than a man. It has been observed that this vocalization of moans and squeels during sex serves a key purpose in primates and certain other mammals. It is a signal to other males to come and join in.

Nuru massage sounds very interesting by the way.

 

It seems like the perfect way to ease into something more sexual. Very relaxing and non threatening. Would be interested in learning more about it myself.

 

i will send you as much info as i can about it, and a link to some sites that may help you understand it a bit more.

Nuru has an offshoot called "soapy" massage, which from all accounts, is banned in many asian cultures, including parts of thailand (where it was created) and also many parts of the philippines.

nuru is generally more accepted, however because it is not a traditional form of massage, it is still frowned upon just as soapy massages are.

reaon being is because they are "sexual" forms of massage, soapy kind of went a step further and many givers of soapy massage included penetration as the final part of the act (can be open for interpretation)

in a few cases where i had nuru or "soapy" massages in remote areas of the philippines i was told at the beginning that there was 2 prices, one was for the massage, the other price included the "extra" bit at the end.

not sure how or where you would locate someone in your state that is a "practitioner" in Nuru massage, because it is not a traditional form or technique and is more likely carried out by people in their own homes and not done commercially.

in our case, my wife has a good friend who practices the technique and has a room in her home dedicated for this, basically its a pretty big fully tiled bathroom with a walk in twin rose shower and a huge 4 person spar, and when she starts a session, she brings out this big queen sized rubber mattress and places it on the floor in the centre of the room and inflates it with what looks like a can of compressed air or something like that.

all i can say is that its magic, everyone should try it once.

 

my wifes family has a holiday house in a small fishing village called "WaWa" which is somewhere in, or near batangas.

i always used to hang out over at a place called White Beach over on Mindoro Island (caught the ferry from Batangas City) and my wife would join me there sometimes as i cant tolerate the heat and diesel pollution in manila, which is where my wife was born (pasig city)

and yes, Visayan women are bloody fiesty little critters, not sure about the "horny" bit tho, never slept with one

 

I wouldn't really consider one here in aussie, but would possibly consider it in Manila next time I'm there. My girl and I are still in the 'long distance relationship' stage. Do you know of such places in Manila? Could be the perfect setting to allow something more sexual to develop.

 

so you have a partner in manila ??? thats great, but if you intend bringing her to australia some time, be very mindful that these days, the australian government is very hard on aussie guys wanting to bring asian women into australia for marriage, especially filipino and thai women, so be sure that you do a lot of research first, and go talk to one of the senior advisors at the immigration department, it will be the best thing you can do for both of you.

also be aware that marrying a filipino can, in many cases, mean that you also marry her entire family, and it is very well documented than many marriages between a filipino and australian will end because of the financial strain imposed on the guy when she starts expecting him to help support her family financially.

the 2nd reason for marriage breakups will arise from the filipino lady just using the guy to get into australia to evade the poverty, and once the relationship has been established, she will piss off and leave him, and take 50% of everything he had, and there is no way out of it, she has every right to do so, so be very mindful of this as well.

the 3rd reason for a marriage to break is because a lot of the aussie guys who fly to manila are pigs, and they go there with their drunken mates and hang out in the girlie bars and abusively screw as many of them as they can, and in many cases they film it all. sometimes these guys latch onto a nice filipino girl, gets her to australia, treats her like shit and she will just leave with nothing.

me and my wife know aussies and filipino women who been thru one of the 3 scenario's i mentioned, and its shocking in many cases.

my story is somewhat out of the ordinary, and i am one of the very lucky ones who married a filipino, and we met in australia and married 6 months later, and it has been bliss for 22 years.

now, regarding the Nuru massage thing, here is the new thread i posted on the topic, maybe you might like to take a look, and continue the discussion there instead.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=457744&f=280

i will shoot you a message shortly.

 

Thanks for the tips, it sounds like a mine field. You say that you met your wife in aussie. Was she already an aussie resident when you met?

 

EDIT: i know this post is going off topic, but heck, why not explain it here, so here goes.

no m8, she came from a catholic family in manila and had 3 brothers older than her, all married raising kids.

her grandmother wanted to visit her daughter (my wifes auntie) in sydney, but wasnt allowed to travel on her own because she was getting old, so because my wife was still single and fresh out of uni and doing her medical internship, she was elected by the family as the travel companion to the grandmother for her trip.

they arrived in march 1989, were staying for 6 months, but got an extension in september for 6 more months, and i met my wife at a party in late november (4 months before she was due to leave) and we first dated on her 27th birthday (dec 11)

she returned home in march 1990, i arranged a fiance visa for her to return in may (back then it was easy) and we married in sydney in june.

i had a very demanding job at that time building the new channel 10 studios in sydney, and my wife wanted me to meet her family, which was something i also wanted to do, but getting time off work was difficult, so during that 2 month period when she had returned home, i flew to manila one weekend to meet her parents, i flew out at 11am friday morning, arrived in manila at 8pm, spent 34 hours with her meeting the family, and i boarded the return flight on sunday night at 11pm and arrived in sydney at 7am monday morning and drove straight to work at channel 10.

i even got dragged into a strip search by immigration officers at sydney airport because i was wearing baggy beach pants and a t-shirt, had no suitcase, just a carry bag, and they nabbed me because in my passport they noticed i had only left australia the previous friday, and thought i might be a drug runner

we had a son in feb 1993, i then got very sick and almost died from toxic chemical syndrome not long after that and i had to fly back to the philippines and live on a remote island for 6 weeks to detox as part of my treatment.

we moved away from sydney in december 1993 and had a daughter in december 1999.

in the preceding years prior to meeting my wife, i had traveled extensively thru asia many times, and worked in the philippines for 1 year for the aust government, had a few sweethearts in that time, but never anything serious, worked in jakarta for a while, then returned to sydney and the rest is now history

 

The whole concept of marrying in order to acquire a visa, regardless of the countries concerned, is essentially no more than a modern version of the Slave Trade.

 

what ???

rather than just making a big bold statement like that, why cant you enlighten us just a little bit more and explain to us (or me) exactly what your comment actually meant, because right now im pretty confused by it ???

you were clearly referring to my post, but nobody got married to aquire any kind of visa, so i dunno what your point is ????

 

LOL well maybe i might not like it either, still yet to see how it goes with the joint nuru massage we will be sharing with another couple soon, and the reason why we decided on this path was so that we were both there having our massages together and sharing it (he massaging my wife and her massaging me side by side)

at least neither of us can say it was unfair that she got it and i didnt, and it will allow us to kill our curiosity about this very topic, and maybe after this event, we will both have some idea if we are happy to leave it there, and continue having joint massages with other couples, or we go to the next level.

time will tell.

 

I guess there are situations where it is similar to the slave trade in that someone gets hurt---that someone is the person providing the visa, if he/she is duped into believing that the marriage is one of love.

There are other cases where both parties know the reason for the marriage. Usually in such cases, the one needing the visa pays, making it a business transaction---such cases do not always involve sex, or the consumation of a true marriage. But there are cases that do, and in cases that I have heard of, or am aware of, that sex is consensual.

But it is not a situation where a person is taken against their will to a foreign country, and forced into slavery, especially sexual slavery.

Though, if there is a group of hot sexy foreign women who would like to force me to become their sex slave, with or without providing a visa, I could certainly provide you with coordinates of where I might be unsuspectingly walking alone. (Send pictures first though)...

 

I have taken that ferry and spent some time on White Beach. Our favorite place to go was the beach at a resort village (near a fishing village) called Anilao. It is around the peninsula to the North of Batangas City. One time we went there to spend a week or two or more, and ended up spending a month there. After realizing it had become so long, we decided to return home to make sure our maids were still there.

There was a Visayan girl that lived down the street from us, and she was very pretty and apparently used to work in a bar until she met her husband from Ireland. He was gone half the year working in oil fields, and the other half he was drop-dead drunk. She tried numerous times to get me in bed, incluing when her hsband was there (but passed out). I never took her up on it, but it gave me plenty of fodder for fantasy. But then there were girls from Pampanga, and Manila and everywhere else, some of whom tried to sleep with me, and others who at least seemed eager to start a relationship with me.

Unfortunately there were also baklats---transvetites and gays, that always hit on me. That's not my thing. But I will say this, after spending 5 years in the Philippines, I don't think there are any transvestites that would be able to put a fast one on me. But be warned----if you go to the Philippines looking for sex, you could have a very rude awakening---hopefully not after waking up after a drunken night of debauchery. Some tell-tale signs: an adam's apple (but that can be removed), a voice that sounds a wee bit deep (neither hormones, nor surgery completely fix the voice, but a long history of tobacco use could make a few (very few) women sound masculine, a male ass (but there are girdles that may mask that), a certain masculine look to the face (it might be vague and hard to put your finger on--especially under the make up, but there are only a few women who have such features, and there are a few transvestites that can really pull off a feminine face), they have an exagerated femininity. If all else fails, I have been told that their vagina is a bit odd looking----though that I could not tell you.