Why do atheists spend so much time arguing about the existence of God?

So violence is fine as long as it's pro truth?

Well okay. But I think it's a horrible thing for you to believe that it's stupid purely because you don't seem to understand it.

I think I've made my stance fairly clear.

I hold certain values because I was raised to. I hope that people do not do what I'd regard as bad things as a result of holding those values. I might pretend to myself that it matters why someone did a bad thing, but ultimately, if they did it to me, I wouldn't care if they had a "good" reason or a "bad" one.

I don't care if people believe in the supernatural. Really. There are far worse things that a person can do, like stabbing me in the face because they want my money.

 

Nothing is true everything is permitted.

 

You don't care that there are religious fundamentalists that murdered thousands of people in an attempt to destroy what they saw as a satanic power in the United States?

You don't care that those same people may someday get access to a potent biological or nuclear weapon and use it to indiscriminately snuff out your life to attempt to prove some vague point in there muddled superstitious beliefs?

You are free to do whatever you want.

Nothing is true everything is permitted.

 

See, this is pointless.

I've expressed before that I have a problem with violence whether it's religiously motivated or not. I have expressed this TO YOU in a number of threads on this subject.

I'm sorry, but why should I keep making that argument, if you can't see past the fact that I don't have a problem with religion? Because I really don't see what else is leading you to believe that I'd have no problem with religious violence purely because i have no problem with religion. It's a totally irrational assertion to make and you should stop making it because it's making you look like an idiot.

 

Some violence is motivated strictly by religious superstition is my point.
And no I don't think I'm coming off as an idiot, please stop trying to badger me into making a slanderous statement towards you.

 

And a huge amount of it isn't. I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself but I'm bothered that you seem to think my not being anti-religious is some indication that I should be fine with all religious violence. It's a ridiculous statement! Are you fine with all atheist violence purely because you're an atheist? If I punch a priest, would you be all like, "YEAH, ROCK ON"? I would hope not.

I think you just did. All I was asking was that you base what you say about me on what I've said I believe, rather than what you've decided I must believe.

 

Over a 200 year period, perhaps 200000 people were killed. ... Among many Jews and Muslims, the term crusade evokes visions of genocide, mass murder.

All those death's just so one fake god could eat another fake god, and it continues on today in the middle east.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cru1.htm

 

Interesting. You wouldn't expect that, if this was a purely religious thing, those deaths would be fairly evenly distributed throughout the world and throughout history, rather than focused squarely in areas that have been having border disputes or living in poverty?

And 200,000 people isn't that many. 100,000 people died in the 1988 Armenian earthquake and chances are you're not even aware of its existence.

 

Well it's always nice to hear a christian off handily say that 200,000 people murdered in the name of the supposed Jesus Christ aren't that many, or is it that it wasn't enough?

Who cares they all went to heaven right?

 

I'm not a Christian, moron. I'm more or less an atheist, but I'm not being callous. It's just that when you're talking about religion causing death, and I'm asking you how many religious people have killed someone, we're talking about a huge number of religious people. 200,000 people might sound like a lot and be all emotive and that, but I asked an estimate percentage of religious people who have killed someone. There are a lot more than 200,000 Christians NOW, at a time when the religion is not doing so well (at least in the West); in terms of how many people have ever been Christians, I have no idea.

If I was being callous, I'd be just as able to say "meh, they all rotted in the ground slightly earlier than they would've done otherwise, big loss", so don't act like just believing in an afterlife would make me so different from anyone else.

 

I was under the assumption that you wouldn't accept just any number so I found a reputable Christian link that vomited out that statistic for the first 200 years of the crusades not of all time.(you read the link right)

Take into account the worlds population at that time in history and 200,000 starts to sound like a much bigger slice of the human pie.

Again why resort to name calling in this so called debate?

Act like an adult.

 

Oh whatever.

You're not actually disproving my point, which was that the overwhelming, vast majority of religious people never kill anyone. You've not offered any evidence that atheists are less likely to kill than Christians or Jews or Mormons. You've just insisted that religion is the cause because you think it should be.

 

A true atheist will never kill because a god told him to.

Can the same be said for the devout follower?

 

This is a ridiculous question because atheists by definition do not believe in god. Atheists have killed in the name of things that they do believe in, which would be far more comparable.

What I can't understand is why it would not have been easier just to admit that you made a sweeping generalisation which you couldn't really support.

 

Hey Rudenoodle, it's fucking pointless to argue with these zombie hypocrite assholes!! They'll drag you into obscurity and accuse you of over generalization. Accuse you of ignorance while making grotesquely ignorant statements, "Religion never had ANYTHING to do with wars"... which we KNOW for a FACT is Bullshit.

This thread is a testament to human ignorance, Humans are ignorant, we're also greedy, we lie. In my job I have to lie to people everyday. If my life depended on killing someone I'd kill his ass, if someone was tormenting my family, I'd fuck him up. Religion or no religion. But this forum, this thread is supposed to be a debate about religion and God. So I'd just let the zombies have their hypocrisy,their ignorance, and their irrelevant generalization about atheistic violence.

 

You two are as bad as each other; once you decide that someone's on the Religion Side you'll happily tell outright, barefaced lies about what they've said.

I started this thread, so I think I know what it's supposed to be about. This isn't a thread about religion and God. This is a thread about atheism. It's been derailed since by the standard boneheaded "RELIGION MADE TEH WARS HAPPEN RELIGION BAD SCIENCE ALWAYS GOOD" bullshit you think you don't specialise in, but if you read the OP, it's quite clearly about why atheists shouldn't bother to argue with the religious.

But who cares, right? Religion = bad, sweeping generalisations = good, and anyone who even asks you to qualify anything you've said = zombie idiot, right?

You have problems, seriously.

 

Then how are you pro-truth, if nothing is true?

 

relaxxx, you need to relax.

 

I've seen you habitually make this positive claim in about 90% of your more recent post, and was just wondering if you could back it up.

 

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