Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

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  1. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    To truly be is to be free. The mind is a mirror to reality and it distorts it. That is why taking mental concepts as truth will always lead to unfullfillment, judgement and sin. Jesus didn't think God was something to be grasped (by the mind), but became nothing and died on the cross to show the way out. The way out is to become nothing and die so we can be. I am.
     
  2. Driftwood Gypsy

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    no has ever or will ever need to be sacrificed. anyone who tells you otherwise is lying. freedom is free.
     
  3. Monkey Boy

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    Only finite concepts we have of ourselves need to be sacrificed. This requires a death of everything we think we are.
     
  4. Asmodean

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    Why do people think that freedom is free? Because it both contains 'free'? :p Absolute freedom is chaos and would always come at a cost as well. If you don't want absolute chaos order through some kind of agreement (restriction) is needed, hence the amount of freedom we have always had a cost.
     
  5. Monkey Boy

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    Absolute freedom flows perfectly well. It only appears to be chaotic to a restricted mind.
     
  6. Asmodean

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    I say it only appears to be absolute freedom ;)
     
  7. Monkey Boy

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    Then that thought is the obstruction.
     
  8. thedope

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    I regard freedom as freedom to as opposed to freedom from. We are free to fashion temporary conditions for ourselves and each other to the extent we are able to separately or in concert. We are not free to determine what our inheritance is but we are free recognize it and take advantage of it.
     
  9. thedope

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    To relinquish an idea need not be painful, but is to the extent that you think you would prefer to keep it.
     
  10. Asmodean

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    It is just deduction. See for yourself if you can do everything you want without restrictions. It's that simple. It doesn't have to be the person's own mind that restricts himself, we are restricted by agreements and other people too. For example, you do not have the freedom to kill everyone in your neighbourhood. You could try and maybe you would succeed but the freedom experienced would not come without cost. Absolute freedom does not exist.
     
  11. Monkey Boy

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    The pain gives one the desire to renounce and the renouncing leads to liberation. The conditioned mind will put up a fight, but in the end reality wins.
     
  12. Asmodean

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    The key part in dope's post might be that it doesn't NEED to be painful or sacrificed by definition.
     
  13. Driftwood Gypsy

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    anyone who says freedom isn't free is lying to you and may have a hand in the profit to be had.
     
  14. happilyinlove

    happilyinlove with myself :p

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    Jesus is God in flesh, john 1:1, 14.

    Read up son!
     
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    because G-D sacrificed himself., and didnt feel a fucking thing. for christ sake, he is G-D.. a big phony actor.. :)
     
  16. WOLF ANGEL

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    "Didn't seemed to have worked either"! = (A Pagan view) :)
     
  17. Anaximenes

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    It's the impostor for Jesus, the real messenger from God, who worked instead by the Death on the Cross. The Jews crucified that one for claiming he was the Son of God.
     
  18. happilyinlove

    happilyinlove with myself :p

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    You're obviously not a believer then.
     
  19. Monkey Boy

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    It cost me my ego.
     
  20. themnax

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    he/she/it/they, as the case may be, did not "HAVE" to do anything. "sin" is a mythical construct. rightdoing and wrongdoing, which do exist, remain as they have always been, exclusively up to individual choice.
     

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