Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

thedope:

Yes they are, however indirectly.

Which is why knowledge is always perceived, and cannot help but be perception.

It does mean to move, it means to change. To change is not always into something other. Joy is free.

Didn't say you did. What you said though did make me note there is no mind without body.

I've never had to. I'll let you know if I do. I imagine necromancy is a much misunderstood art.

lol I don't want you without it, that's for sure. I would hate to lose you. I've lost too many people close to me. I think everyone has.

I hear you, I'm just not convinced of the need to develop a permanent intent. I think in collectively reaching the height of feeling we can sustain our highest thought.

:-D Not relying on it. The formulaic is always incidental. I'm sure the way you word it is helpful to many. There are lower feelings, but they could be cleared by dispelling the misconceptions you speak of. Love liberates in its overwhelm. You and I are dispellers of need.

That doesn't sound like you! No self is dissociated, but yes, the love one has, one gives.

That's right. Knowledge is perception.

:-D Your insistence that perception not be knowledge based on its being composed of percepts is really none of my business. And I know you're not insisting it be so, at least not when neither of us insist that nothing last forever. Oblivion suits no-one.

Yes, knowledge is being shared when perceived, but it is never unperceived. Knowledge is created, it is not only creation.

It relates to why we give love its condition, because we cannot find it to have un-condition. Death may have its 'place', but it shall have no dominion.

lol Yes, I know you know perception is knowledge, and if you don't, then I "bless" your discovery that it is! Wherever it may be!

 

The are not generated in the same way as perception although you can perceive them. There is no distil stimulation it is generic biological frequency that is the result of crystalization. A crystal replicates the same facial angles no matter how small it is, no matter how large it is. That is what makes it subject to recall. That is why they use crystals in time pieces, for the way they redundantly transduce.

That quality does not change.
I am using and singular conjugation among many of the word modulation, to allude to a specific state. Our state as it is, not as we perceive it.

You would not have my written communication?

Impermanence is not intent or intended.

The least concern is the same as the greatest devotion and the least irritation is the same as the greatest catastrophe. They are all satisfied by the same response.

I know that, but it is perceived that way. Someone can be in a room of people and feel utterly alone.

What oblivion. The whole defines the part but the part does not define the whole. No isolated percept or perception, accounts for knowledge.

I know that perception can lead to it, as in if.
But if the light in you be darkness, then how great the darkness.

 

thedope:

I love your writing.

I like this saying. For the sake of what cannot be helped but the diversification of expression, I could further it, taking away nothing of your intent, for example, I'd say they can be satisfied not by the same response, but by the same intent in response. But let it remain what it is! I do not want to go into how intention to respond is itself a response! :-D

The part does define the whole in the sense that definition is ongoing.

And yes, no isolated perception 'accounts' for knowledge. But then no perception is isolated. Knowledge is perception in any instance of its becoming what it is.

When is the light in us ever darkness? Like you said, and what I shall always now say, - "what oblivion?" :-D

 

Diverse emergence is ongoing, definition is not necessary. What I mean is all is one existence expressed in many forms.

It is not oblivion, only tragedy in time. Because perception is not knowledge, we can confuse dark and light, joy and pain, and be oblivious to the discrepancy.

 

Heavy thoughts. What is to be done?

I'm going away for a while. Not sure how long.

 

Be merciful.

I'm already gone, not sure how long I'll be.

Peace

 

This is probably not related to any post in particular but I thought I would add a little more about why God sacrificed Jesus to forgive sin..

One, it was not only done for sin, but it was also done to fulfill prophecy, also, to prove Satan wrong, that a perfect man, with undue persecution and temptation and at the end, an execution for blasphemy. He stayed faithful to the course and did what was instructed by God. Thus redeeming mankind of Inherited sin and a chance of everlasting life. Which in turn, shows God's love for mankind, because human beings are truly his most amazing creation because they are given something that no other living thing has..Freewill and a desire to live forever. cause without life, you have nothing and we all want life everlasting and that is the offer on the table for all who choose to be obedient, not begrudgingly and follow the instructions in the bible..but with a cheerful heart and attitude. Draw close to God and he will draw close to you and give you a better understanding.

 

thedope:

That is given, not having to do with human sacrifice.

Be loving, and mercy need not be asked for.

Dionysus against the crucified!

That's one way of looking at it.

We are only ever true to life.

A toast to your health.

 

Love doesn't choose any action, it supports all of it.

A toast doesn't much for a physical immune system but it does support peace of mind.

 

What is god's will for us. Is it not the things he wills us to have? Doesn't god will us to have free will and live forever? How is our will different from gods will?

 

Because you are insisting on a yes or no answer

and are denying me the alternative answer; I don't know.

Exactly, limiting you to just a yes or no answer is misleading and yet you don't see that is what you are trying to do to me.

No, you are not making sense. You asked me what the probability was of something happening, that has already happened and the probability of that is always 100%, since that is what happened.

I'm unsure what you are getting at, I think "innocent until proven guilty" is a good way to look at things but it is by no means an accepted truth in all countries.

Since I don't believe in evolution, being out of my tree, does not apply to me.

Others have given many reasons why "it might have been necessary that Jesus was murdered", I suggest that you read those, they seem valid. But that is not what I don't know, what I have been saying is that I don't know if Jesus had to be murdered to make his sacrifice valid.

 

I wanted to address just this for a moment.

Quite frankly, I don't care if I look good or bad in your eyes and I am not here to try and make others look good or bad. I am here to discuss religion and Christianity in particular. If someone has a interesting point of view, I like to discuss it with them.

And it was interesting talking with you a bit but now, it seems you have run dry and all you have to say is I "look bad" because I don't know the answer to a question. And you don't even give a reason why I or anyone would "look bad" for confessing they just don't know.

I've never said or even implied that I have all the "answers" to any question that is asked. In fact I have several times said quite the opposite and have said that I am here to better understood what I do know and to find out what I don't know.

 

Really? You don't understand the predepts so how would you know?

No they weren't, at least not in the way you imply.

Really? How would you know?

Sounds like you are calling me a liar. What have I been dishonest about?

Yes, I do. Doesn't everybody?

Yes I have. Mostly because they have been asked and answered many times already and I get tired of answering the same questions over and over again just because you don't remember the answers and think they are new questions.

Where's the love? Where's benefit of the doubt?

 

Yep, Jesus wasn't drafted, he volunteered.

 

No charge.

Really, you don't say.

If you want to live forever, then Jesus' death was necessary.

Messiah means anointed and a person is anointed for a special purpose. This was part of the reason he was anointed.

Need the story? They already knew the "story", Jesus had told them.

Paul was the apostle to the nations, they didn't know the story and thus he told them.

Well, first I don't believe Jesus was "crucified", Jesus was hung on an upright stake and not a cross.

Pleased? No, I'm down right overjoyed for him and for those who accept his sacrifice.

 

Likely? God can not be mistaken, so what is left? Men are often mistaken about God.

 

Love has lots of limits....

Love is not jealous, it does not brag, does not get puffed up, does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury.. . .(1 Corinthians 13:4-5)

 

Then it ceases to be love. If I understand dope correctly, love properly expressed has no limit (that is to say, one cannot run out of love)

 

I think they're both right. Anything is "limited" by its inherent nature. God can't do evil. Love can't hate. But within the limits of logical possibility, there's plenty of love to go around.

 

Thus the limits.

Does anyone understand the dope correctly?