Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

God and jesus are two and the same
most seem to forget he already knew what was going to happen before it did
he willingly gave himself for our sins
at anytime he could of destroyed everyone and pulled himself from the cross with powers we simply will never understand even after we make it to heaven
satan and his followers were once angels but got jealous of God
he swatted them all away like we would a fly
sadom and gamoria is another example
but that was not what he wanted because of the love he has for us all

 

thedope:

Does it matter?

 

Our sin, if you would call it an act, is to take on the guise that we have the knowledge of good and evil. God does not need to forgive us. We are as he created us. We do however need to forgive our accusations against one another and the world, because the measure we give is the measure we receive and we are thus forgiven as we forgive. That you may know that the sons of men, have the power to forgive sins, I accuse you of nothing.

 

Well, isn't that the question you are asking of waterbrother?

Your claim is and I accept it with a whole heart, that life yields only to life.
Now it seems to me that you are insisting that life must yield to death.

 

Sounds like more of a karma outlook on things
what goes around comes around
if you believe in christ
and what he has done for all of us
you do need to ask his forgiveness as your one true savior
ask him into your heart
ever lasting life is there for all of us if you simply ask
this is if you wish to enter the gates of heaven

 

By this you shall be known as disciples, that you love one another.

 

so you have no more questions
i can try to answer for you?

 

So you have no more answers that you think I need?
I ask only for your blessing.

 

well if you put it that way
im inclined to tell you to go fuck your self
but i know i wouldnt be right in doing so
like i said were all human
i just hope you took the time to consisder what i was saying
i took the time to consisder everything you took the time to write
what you said was taken seriously and thought about
thats just common courtesy
take care of yourself bub and i hope you find the answers that your looking for

 

thedope:

No. I ask his opinion on whether or not he thinks Jesus should have been killed. Not whether or not he died.

Not at all. Life yields only to life, but it can't do that through death.

Are you of the opinion that Jesus, like Obi-Wan Kenobi, disapparated?!

Did he secret his body somewhere to "join it with our mind"? Why involve others in his death, if that is all it was, as opposed to his murder?

 

I listened intently to everything you said.

That you for your blessing.

 

i have no blessings im able to give

 

What is the difference in this case whether he has to be killed, or he has to be dead?

No, there are other platforms besides biological. Knowledge is being shared. There are platforms of different intensity.

Where ever two or more of you are gathered in my name, I am there among you.

 

thedope:

Not only do I think he needn't have been killed, I don't think he, nor anyone else had to die. That people have died does not necessarily mean they needed to die, let alone desired to.

Are you saying he is alive?

Not for life there aren't. Biology is not needfully perishable.

Sounds like a deficit, for him at any rate. Memory may be living tissue, but who wants to be nothing more than a memory?

Dionysus against the crucified!

I gather in the name of love alone.

 

Okay, I don't have an opinion on the the matter and that's my opinion.

Yes, I have an interest in the life and death of Jesus.

Yes, I call myself a Christian. Being a Christian does not entail knowing every little piece of arcane information about things Jesus didn't do or didn't happen to him. It involves knowing who he was, obeying his commandments and doing the will of God, his father. To extent someone does that, they are a Christian.

 

You seem to be doing a better job of that, than brainpan.

Smugly in the shadows? I don't know the answer to one of your trivia questions about what didn't happen to Jesus and suddenly I didn't answer all of your other questions and I'm sitting smugly in the shadows?

And by the way I'm still here, hardly sitting in the shadows, smugly or otherwise.

What in the world?

Take a shower, then we won't have to worry about wind changes.

 

OWB:

I'm not the one who thinks Jesus needed to be killed. Are you sick or just "dimly lit"?

Like hell you're not. You can't give a yes or no answer. You pretend to have no opinion on the matter. If you are not sure, what do you think most likely OWB? That Jesus needed to be murdered, or not?

Rich. Something smells very wrong with you. That a supposed follower of Christ thinks 'maybe' Christ needed to be killed, stinks.

 

thedope
. tar baby

:-D

 

OWB,

How is it that you have no opinion as to whether Jesus had to be murdered, or just die, in order for the forgiveness thing to be properly activated?

You had no problem having an opinion on the matter of whether God can choose, or choose not, to foresee events. Odd that you choose to have an opinion concerning an issue which lacks biblical backing.

 

Storch:

You mean "murdered or just die".