Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

What I see in this scripture is not God foreseeing what could have happen if people had chosen differently, so much as God simply saying that the nation had turn away from him and that one of the contributing factors was that the religious leaders of the time were not standing in his counsel, they had turned their back him and where running where God had not sent them and saying things that God did not want them to say thus misleading the people by saying God said this. Mostly they were not telling the people to turn back from the evil they were doing but telling them God said what they were doing was okay in God's eyes but if instead they had told them the truth they might have turned away from their evil.

 

That's lovely, all the forsee or not to forsee stuff, but can we return to the topic now? Your answer to how someone (namely jesus) can gain something when they're gone was that they can be resurrected in a spirit body and ascend into heaven. I don't know of such things, even though I may read of them from the likes of yourself. I'm not sure if there is anywhere else this discussion can go. Correct me if there is.

 

It's insanity. God - OK, these people killed my son, which is just a temporary lower form of myself.... I can't get them to follow my rules so I'll just have to forgive everything they do as long as they remember and acknowledged my lower form. I'm freaking God but that's the best I can hope for in these sniveling humans, why did I bother with this again?

Any time a God would decide to create lower forms, God would be making the universe a WORSE place. God existing in a lower form, would be his own sacrifice. Killing a lower form is a release if anything, not a sacrifice. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE!

Which is the better person:

A) I'm a good person because all my sins are forgiven through acceptance of Jesus Christ, my imaginary savior.

B) I'm a good person because I'm accountable to my own conscience through understanding, guilt, and empathy.

Religion is so transparent! It is a man made excuse to commit bad deeds and kill, and sleep good at night with blood stained hands. It is nastiness disguised as righteousness.

 

No, eye for an eye is not a law of the universe as you had previously stated, you now say it is mans law and that most justice is based from this.

Your statement is absurd in how many trials has the prosecuted been sentenced to the same punishment as they themselves had dealt to their victim?

Even in trials that begin with a homicide and end with the death penalty the accused is not subject to "eye for an eye" treatment, often going through appeals and being executed in a sterile environment that they had been expectant to. Only in the most backwater of legal systems do they still severe hands and murder the accused on the street. Eye for an eye brings no balance it only perpetuates the idea of revenge not justice.

 

RELIGION is a man made belief system , you are right about that , which is why I have a problem with churches....but , that doesnt mean there isnt a God.

 

I'm rather curious about the claim that it was not intended that people die. It would seem that, without death, life would choke itself out soon enough without some kind of divine birth-control at some point.

 

But heaven and earth shall pass away, so all for naught in the end. Evidently even the chosen are not meant to live on earth forever.

I am wondering why you do not respond to a question about jesus's teaching,
love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you in direct contradiction to your eye for an eye is divine justice.

An eye for an eye seems obviously just to those who are unwilling to forgive.

 

Wait , Im confused , I thought an eye for an eye was pointed out to be wrong by Jesus , and instead we were taught that Veangence is mine , I shall repay , sayeth the lord....so is an eye for an eye right or wrong ?

 

This is what I think about the idea that we were meant to live forever in physical bodies.

Eyes have not seen nor have ears heard all of the good things that god has prepared for those who love him. It is beyond perception. Unless you die and are reborn you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Our incorruptible being must necessarily be beyond form.

We were first created in the likeness and image of god male and female,(creative principle), and being born, embodied, is a shadow of our own determination. We are in the world but we are not of it.

 

An eye for an eye is vengeance. Vengeance is neither right nor wrong, nor just.
Whatever it is, it belongs to god and we have no business adjudicating in that fashion.

Christ taught us how to fulfill the law, how to accomplish god's will. God's will for us is abundant joyful life and we extend and preserve that life through our joyful devotion to it, love.

The desire for vengeance is not possible unless you have first crucified innocence. You cannot love the detestable and as you do unto the least you do also to me. Forgiveness does not undo the acts of others, it releases the world from our insistence on what it must be, (give us barabas).

 

Thank You thedope , I was honestly confused by what I was reading....

 

I guess that if god needed to sacrifice jesus then our inevitable conclusion must be:

halleluiah blood of jesus, blood of jesus,

THANK GOD JESUS IS DEAD!!

 

Yes , but he isnt really dead

 

Oh nooo, we are doomed.

 

YEr so cool , I needed that giggle , thank you !!

 

There is a movie called "Igby Goes Down." In it, Igby is talking to a member of the clergy about his feelings about things. He says (this is my memory of it from ten years ago), "I know Jesus was killed as a sacrifice. But he knew he was going to go to paradise to live forever. So, what kind of a fuckin' sacrifice was that?"

 

The giving up of his human body , and the pain and suffering he went thru in his death....it was a brutal way to die.

 

Talk to Igby; he's the one who said it.

But in all fairness to Igby, Jesus did choose it.

 

sorry....just replying is all

 

Alright. Now go and sin no more.