Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

The measure you give is the measure you receive.

Storms are caused by uneven heating. If you treat all with unconditional positive regard then you remain blameless. It is only in the guise of judging against, that there is a sense of debt owed. There is no debt if there is no charge.

 

Well I tried.

 

You tried to what friend?

 

I'm still waiting to see you take the weight off of one side of a scale and put it on the other side and make it balance itself.

 

The statement was put the same weight on both sides at the same time, you didn't say to take a weight of off one side and add it to the other.

 

I guess I shouldn't have expected you to actually understand what anyone is talking about.

Let me spell it out for you.

In the discussion you interrupted, we were talking about what balance in justice entails. The person I was talking to was saying that only if one thing is replaced by exactly the same thing, not a exact duplicate but the exact same thing, would justice be served and I was illustrating that with a scale it is impossible to balance a scale with exactly the same weight because the exact same weight cannot be in two different places at the same time, at that point you said that you could do it.

And quite frankly I'd still like to see you try and do it.

 

Did you understand what I said?

I can put nine pounds, the exact same weight on both sides of a scale at the same time.

Now if you are talking about lives, yours does not suffice for mine. For your blood to spill takes no investment of mine.

Justice is not a scale that weighs things. Justice is just because it maintains it's balance and is not subject to uneven treatments.

Judgment weighs things in the fashion you describe and it is always arbitrary in it's verdicts. Justice does not weigh things in the way you describe. The only verdict that leaves nothing owing, justice, is NOT GUILTY.

 

I said I'd stay out of this, but as a lawyer, I'm obliged to point out the error in this statement.

The scales of justice are there to symbolise the assessment of the relative weight of each parties' case. It has nothing-NOTHING- to do with achieving balance. In fact if you look carefully at the older statues (Themis) ths scales are NOT in balance.

The proposition that "A scale is used to determine that things weight (sic:weigh) the same" is also self-evidently incorrect. Often, you need to determine whether something is heavier than something else. A balance-beam scale will determine this. It CAN be used to determine like for like-but it is not exclusively designed to so do, as you assert.

 

So was jesus unjust waterbrother if he suggested that we be unjust in loving our enemies and praying for those who persecute us instead of demanding an eye for an eye? He came to fulfill the law, to lend justice.

 

You don't understand what you are saying most the time.

Whoopdeedo.arty:
Almost anybody can do that.

But that was not what was being said.

 

Spoken like a lawyer.

 

Ah yes, when you have no response, attack the person.

 

Sorry, I didn't realize that saying someone speaks like a lawyer was attack but being a lawyer you would know better than I.

 

Do you seriously have the temerity to assert that you intended the phrase "Spoken like a lawyer" to be complimentary?

 

I little sensitive about being a lawyer?

 

Not in the slightest. A little sensitive about being caught out, are you?

 

Caught out?

You are the one that seems to be a little bunchy, maybe it was you that got caught out?

 

Does that answer the question?

I know what you said, I know what dejavu said.
Do you understand what I said?

The balancing of accounts is not justice it is accounting.

 

Straight as in balanced, - "Are you as ready to forgive humans as you are to 'excuse' them using your sundry scapegoats?"

What are your sins OWB? Or is that a personal matter between you and God?

Yeha yeah yeah, Kill'em all, let god sort'em out. It's ironic that a man of god doesn't see the imposition in such a philosophy, at least as ironic that I am here choosing to converse with one.

"trying"? thedope said it as well as I might have albeit differently: - "Look closer. The scale leans neither one way or the other. It is in balance and, justice is blindfolded. Justice is not a judge. Justice is balance simply."

In courts?! I thought you were looking to "god" as opposed to "man".

No, Your justice is subtraction. You attempt to justify a loss with another loss.

I do grasp that you think sin is inborn, is flesh. I grasp also that you may die never knowing your error.

And that one thing is...?

Now that changes things. Why do you think you have to die but others don't? You think death is a punishment, divine retribution etc. You believe everything to be pre-ordained. What is it you think you've done that you have to die for it? Was it really written? And what if it was? Possibly all 'faith' is misplaced owing purely to loving excess! Possibly, you should give yourself up to these ones who you see as not having to die! Chances are, they may not think you have to either.

I'm no chattel of god. My self-possession is clear. I seek everyones good, but do not dissemble to pretend that means not seeking my own. You say true riches are who one is and not what one has. I say they are the very same.

Through the distorting lens of religious interpretation.

I can be damning, but I have no interest in it.


OWB to thedope regarding me.

I did not say 'replaced'. My 'for' speaks of its remaining what it is, its continuation.

Its not only because I'm a person of more understanding than you possess, that you'd do better than to poo-poo my maths lessons. :-D

 

Obviously you didn't understand what was being said or you wouldn't have said that you could put the exact same weight on both sides of a scale.