Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

thedope,

Ya know, I'm inclined to believe that, between the two of us, we could convince anyone of anything. So, in case you ever get the urge to rule this world, or some other such similar endeavor, know that I am here for you. I'm just puttin' it out there, that's all.

So, go ahead and take--oh, say, forty days to think it over on the mountain of your choice, and then get back with me.

 

God does not limit his foreknowledge, he still has the ability to foresee anything he wants even what we will do. He just doesn't do it because that would remove from us our free will.

Just like I know I have the power to break a drinking glass just by squeezing it but if I did it every time just because I can, that does not allow me to ever drink from a glass, so I don't break drinking glasses. That in no means that I have limited my ability to break glasses, I just don't do it but I still have the ability to do so but I don't in order to fulfill my purpose to drink from the glass.

As for your "example", God seeing what we will not do is just the same as him seeing what we will do, once God has seen what will happen or what will not happen it becomes written in stone, so to speak and it must take place as he has seen it, thus removing any choice in the matter.

 

You know of course that I can't really go there.

 

No doubt I could use a good editor.

 

Thus he did not foresee it.

Actually it makes God a loving creator, if we are truly a son of God, his fruitage, we will display his good qualities but if display bad qualities then we are making ourselves sons of his enemy and displaying his qualities and not God's.

As I already pointed out all God asked back was a one to one correspondence. He did not ask anyone for pain and torture.

No aspect of God comprises the serpent, the person responsible for the "serpent" in the garden was Satan, God's enemy.

 

Where was the light coming from when God said let there be light?

 

A terrorist? Demands? He is the one who provided the "ransom".

 

But if god is eternal, does it even make sense to say "once God has seen what will happen or what will not happen?"

If god is eternal, time is meaningless before god; all would be present tense in a sense.

 

Did you want him to lie and say he wasn't a King just to appease the Romans?

When man's laws conflict with God's laws a true servant of God follows God's laws.

 

I guess it depends on what you mean by eternal.

 

I missed this addition, do you think that because God is "eternal" that means he has already existed in the future?

 

Where did God's enemy come from?

Free will is not free if there is a consequence (being thrown in Hell) for choosing one way instead of another.

So, God provided a ransom that no one called for? That means that, given a choice, God accepted a ransom of blood and torture rather than turn it down. What does this say about God?

You asked where the light was coming from? That is a good question. It sounds as if there was no need for the Sun. Why create something--the Sun--whose function was being fulfilled by something already existent?

 

Why the ransom? Who called for it, if not God?

 

And not only did God not foresee the fall of humankind, he also did not foresee that he was subject to anger. He chose to look the other way when it came to seeing what we would be like, but then chose not to look the other way when it came to seeing what we are like. And then he chose to get angry about it. Sounds like entrapment to me. That's not indicative of an intelligent being, now is it?

 

Because we humans exist in the time domain, we use such concepts as past, present and future; it's difficult to think of existence without reference to time.

1) The eternality of god could mean that god had no beginning and will live forever; god must wait for the future just like humans.

2) It could also mean that god is outside of time; god is not bound by any aspect of time; the past, present and future would be a singularity before god.

I'm referring to #2.

 

OWB,

Speaking of Satan, is it your contention that that which comes from God is corrupt/corruptible?

 

By the way, thedope, your wordsmithery indicates to me that you don't really need an editor. But don't let that go to your head.

 

One of God's Angels misused his free will and turned himself into God's enemy.

All choices have consequences some good some bad.

Hell is the grave and so far no one has escaped that consequence no matter what choices they have made.

Mostly it says that you have not been listening.

Justice calls for the ransom and since mankind could not provide it, God lovingly provided it for them.

Genesis provides an account of the preparation of the Earth for human habitation from the viewpoint of someone on Earth. At the time that God said let there be light there was a thick mist covering the Earth and so the Sun could not be seen directly from the Earth, later God thinned that mist enough so the Sun could be seen to be the source of that light.

 

As I have already said true justice is one for one and so justice calls for it.

 

It is not a matter of what we are but what some of us are.

And he didn't get angry about it so much as he immediately acted to do something to correct the situation we had gotten ourselves into. Much like any father who, say, finds his child was arrested for breaking the law would immediately try help his child.