Why capitalism?

ohmigod, allow me to laugh...hHAHAHAHAHAHAAH.

see, thats the problem with communism, nobody wants to work.... everyone just wants "an equal share."...... i say, whoever works the HARDEST, give him the most money!!

i for one dont wanna work 80 hrs a week, but if my neighbor does and he's got a red porsche, good for him

 

hmm could communism be the selfishness of the 21st century "I cant have it so niether should you"

 

eh no, isn't it that guy up the street has it all and why shouldn't all of us get a share?

 

Yet the rich elites own the vast majority of resources and production, your argument is like saying well yes the king owns mostly everything but look how many shop owners there are.

By getting some poor sap to generate wealth for him.

 

The next steep wold democratize indusry, putting production into the hands of the people.

Your not rich, you'll never get the wealth of say Bush without hurting the working class.

 

Do you need someone telling you what to do? are you not capable of thinking for yourself and deciding collectively what is in our own best interests?

Because Bush in only .2% of the populas is the reason it is so undemocratic, the idea that so few can have so much control over so many.

 

do debates/disscussions such as this serve as mental mastrabation or is is deeper than that..I really dont believe that anyone here as a result of this debate is going to go "oh gee all this time I was wrong"

 

These common people ran the paris commune fine. And they were running spain fine, and they were running the soviet union fine.

 

By your logic we should get rid of voting since unqualified people are making decisions, why have democracies, lets just have a philiopsher king to free us from all thought and responsiblity

 

Why do you think communism would work in small groups, but not in a large territory?

How would you define "work"?

 

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Well in spain they got attacked by a facist army and two other countries. In paris they got crushed by the prussian army. And in the soviet union stalin took control throught the back door. Dont forget allende, he got attacked by the army backed by the us. A lot fo socialsit countries were attacked by other powers.

 

I believe that capitalism is going to eventually lead to the USA's downfall. Capitalism would have been good back in the times when countries never interacted with one another. But today, being that most all nations of the world work together in some way, it's not right that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I could go on, but im going to read the rest of the thread first.

 

True.

And during the first years, the Soviet Union was attacked by Germany, France, Great Britain, Japan, The United States (ca 10 000 soldiers supporting the Japanese in Siberia), and China (China even got hold of Vladivostok for some years). Wow, they sure were pissed!


And also, the Gulags were not created by Lenin. Lenin simply used the labor camps the previous regime (the tzar) used.

 

Yeh, people always forget that. Also marx didn't intend for socialism in an economically under developed country.

 

Yes.

Actually, I think he suspected the revolution to start in Great Britain.. Is that right? Anyways, Great Britain was the most developed capitalist nation at that time.

 

Eh according to that theory the majoraty would vote for a facist government that woudl then set about killing off the minority.

 

What system are you talking about?

 

So you are against democracy, so you want a philosopher king? What is to stop the philosopher king from doing what ever they wanted?

 

The republic didn't stop blacks from getting oppressed in the USA, infact the republic made it illegal for blacks to own guns making it easier for whites to oppresse blacks even though blacks were not a minority. It was only when forced by the majority that the goverment allowed blacks to own guns.

philosopher king, didn't you read Plato's Republic? You said the people were unqualified to rule, in Plato's Republic you have the idea put forward that the wisest person should be the ruler.

 

Yeh, you seem to want some sort of dictatorship of beauracracy. The soviets were a good form of true democracy, i didn't see them gangin up on the minoroty.