Why are you Atheist Agnsotic?

Did u know occam uses 'gilgamesh' as nic when playing cs:source dod:source
what a co-incidence..you ar 1st person OCAMM HAS EVER MET who has said the word gilgamesh. [king of uruk]
Where is enkidu? [the hairy one]

Occam

 

lol

 

you play cs:s and dod:s?

whats your email/username lets play together sometime

oh and what do you mean the first person to use the word gilgamesh? does no one know who he is or something? i would hope they know who he is.

 

I was born that way.

 

k

 

Unlike the others, I am A-Gnostic in its most literal sense.

I do NOT accept Gnosticism.

Before we ate from the Tree of Gnosis, we were alive to the natural spontaneous perfection of each subjective eternal moment.

We were alive to the subjective connection with of our own skins.

We could leap through the woods with the heart of bounding stags, and rise from the earth in living archs that dive deep and free, splashing cool and naked as the otter.

But then we ate from the fruit of the Tree of Gnosis, and became sick and turned into repressed, stiff civilized men desperately seeking knowledge of our once subjective connection to life.

Only those who don't know truly know.

The object-subject separation of the knower from the known, is the objectivist poison that separates us and alienates us from any spontaneous subjective connection to life.

Gnosticism is the preoccupation of stiff, anal-retentive, civilized man who is alienated, and doomed to objectify every experience and every relationship in this life.

Doomed to be forever in his head.

Doomed to haunt every corner of this earth in a ghoulish search for that illusive elixir of alchemy gold.

It's no coincidence that Gnostic zombies only emerge from the corruption of civilization.

Only emerge from amongst men who have effeminately abandoned their own unique spirit path to seek and obey like women the authority and security of hierarchical civilization.

It's no coincedence that the Gnostic tradition includes the New World's worst failures, the Aztecs, Mayas, and Incas.

Of all the peoples of the New World these are the lost.

These are the few peoples of the New World who lost and no longer possessed a spontaneous subjective connection to the natural world.

Like all civilized men who create Gnostic traditions, they were slaves to the death-drive of civilization's funeral-march.

 

wow your completely off track of gnosis. true gnosis is is knowing that you dont know, and by coming closer to god, through a mushroom trip, you learn things that could not possibly be learned by any other means. you learn to conquer emotions, grasp reality in a different mind state, and use it for the good.

To me the tree of gnosis is nothing more than a psychadelic mushroom trip, sent here by the real god, the force by the universe. The demiurge is who did not want us to eat the mushroom, because we would then have the mind set of a godly being, they did not want this to happen, for it would be harder for them to control us. It's basically the same as making marijuana illegal, they were denying us mother nature when they said don't eat from the tree of knowledge.

Or maybe since we created by this demiurge (aja annunaki, elohim) our brains didn't naturally evolve the way they were supposed to, with the help of psylocibin cubensis, the real alien god, seeing as how it is structured to withstand time and space, look it up. This is the tree of knowledge we were denied, because thinking like this is exactly what the demiurge does not want us to do. The allmighty created it for a reason, and that reason has only been uncovered by true seekers of the gnosis, those who have had a psychadelic unfluence with dmt or shrooms and have reached the logos, a hyperdimension filled with intelligence, a realm like no other, that we reach upon death. So who is to say we should not be able to visit that place during our physical existence and use it to better human life?

Or those who know they don't know truly know.


[quote[Gnosticism is the preoccupation of stiff, anal-retentive, civilized man who is alienated, and doomed to objectify every experience and every relationship in this life.
[/quote]So your saying shamans are stiff and anal retentive? Seeing as how they are followers of the gnosis. There is more than one aspect to gnositicism, not just the institutionalized form of it. Just like someone who reads the Quran, it is interpreted differently to each person, as is the gnosis.

The only reason they doomed themselves is because the culture itself grew too large to support itself. They also had secret mushrooms cults, they called the mushroom tenoactal, the flesh of the gods, but the cults were driven into the forest only emerging in the 1950's.

Gnosis is more than a civilized tradition, it dwells inside shamans, and all followers of the religion. It is rooted in the question "Why?" and through certain modes we can achieve the gnosis, just as Jesus did, the true leader of gnosticism, kind of funny how they left it out of the bible. As well as the fact you can reach another realm through psylocibin, and experience god, that to me is something that no one can take away.

I think you need to rethink your theories on gnostics. People leave out the mushroom part, which plays a big importance to finding the true gnosis.

Have you ever read any of Terrence Mckenna's work?

 

That was the only smart thing you said, that is the truth, admitting that you don't know, is knowing. It is the beginning, or the first vow of gnosticism. Admitting that you know something, deeply to yourself, and then beginning a path of experiment and experience. Whereas Death, very similar to the Hebrew word for Gnosis, "Daath", is the only real truth that you will face. This is why gnostics have been viewed as zombies and shit like you said, you must mean the Cathar view of gnosticism though. They were the only gnostics that practiced the Endura(or ritual suicide through sometimes violent means, but mostly just taking to bed and not eating untill one passes on) and vowed to break away from all material life, exactly like buddhism, and the Jains value a similar practice as the Endura. The buddhist monk that lit himself on fire, is an exact facet of gnosticism, and this Endura ideal. I do not beleive in direct suicide unless you were terminally ill. Death is viewed as a FRIEND TO THE GNOSTICS FREEING YOU FROM THIS MATERIAL PRISON and the only way to free all of humanity is to DIE, and live in an astral light body state as we truly are and were intended, free from the control of the demi-urge. In no way were they slaves to death, as much as the civilized man was a slave to life and the demi-urge. The 9-5 and the 7 day week is a classic portrayel of submission to the demi-urge.

What source are you drawing from saying Aztecs were gnostic? They knew of the gnosis, and were in direct contact with aliens either physically or through their mushroom cults, and blood sacrifice rituals. The catholics KILLED THESE PEOPLE AND THEIR RECORDS, they are only failures of war. Their religion worked, their astrological calendar was more perfect than the Gregorian slave machine. They did not have 7 day weeks, or leap years. Everything was perfect. The gnostic EMBRACES HIS PHYSICAL PATH what the fuck are you talking about man. Did you read the dickheads guide to gnosis?

 

Gnostics need your own forum...

Next thing you will be at occams door selling your version of watchtower.

Occam

 

Knowing that I don't know isn't Not Knowing.

Admitting that I don't know isn't Not Knowing.

Only,
Not Knowing is Not Knowing.

Our very first Gnostic vow of knowing is our first Gnostic delusion.

I reject the Gnostic demiurge conspiracy theory of creation.

Creation was not an evil conspiracy.

Only the Gnostic psyche is trapped in the chronic fear-gripped fight or flight dualism that generates good and evil.

Gnostics want us to believe that their narrow dualistic mind-trap is our liberation.

Gnostics claim, as their excuse, that we were enslaved by the demiurge, and needed liberating.

The great liberaters projecting their irrational fears.

Gnostics are clueless to the real fear-driven psycho-dynamics that has motivated their obsession with dualistic objectivism for the last ten thousand years.

Clueless to how dualistic perception and objective detachment are effective psychological states when stressed by fear, but quickly become uncontrollable patterns of behavior.

It is the current ten thousand year momentum of these behavioral patterns that have enslaved man, NOT the Gnostic demiurge.

Look at the great wisdom seekers we've come to know over the ages.

Tourists of the hyper-dimentional astral-plane, who are NO more alive to that objectified experience than they are alive to the subjective experience of their own skins.

Shaman, Yogis, Lamas, Monks, can not share their path, we must experience our own life.

I can travel in my state of knowledge the astral-plane to any number of hyper-dimentions, and still remain only a tourist if I'm not alive to the existential state of being that is the subjective experience of my own life.

Psycho-active drugs like Psylocibin Cubensis are very usefull in breaking down the fear-driven Gnostic behavioral patterns that alienate us from our subjective connection to the spontaneous perfection of nature.

There's NO demiurge to fear, only fear itself.

I've enjoyed listening to many hours of Terrence and Denis Mckenna's work.

And they're perfect examples of what I'm saying; no matter how far they go, they never escape from the objective state of Gnosis.

 

Yea, they are merely explorers, the Mckenna brothers that is. I am not really defending gnosticism, as I don't follow it fully, I still beleive in certain aspects, such as the demiurge, which in my opinion is actually the Annunaki from Sumerian beleifs, or Elohim of Judaism. I don't beleive the demiurge is anything to fear though, I don't think I even said that. My only argument was that the demiurge is not the actualy god, so if anything, I agree with you, because it is merely a creation of the same thing that created us, we are part of the demiurge.

And yes, I do beleive we must take our own path, but shamans, yogi's etc can only give you advice, they can't show the true way to gnosis, you must find it yourself, and psylocibin is a very useful tool for doing that. I understand the perfection of nature, but is human life nature? Or has the train completely fallen off track killing all its passengers? My real point was, even though I agree with most of what your saying, is that people don't want to learn, because they are caught up in society, which itself is filled with fear and lies. They are afraid to venture into this realms, where true gnosis flourishes, but most are afraid and never experience it, because society has enstilled this fear. But there are all kinds of fear, fear is just a natural human response to the unknown, I don't feel fear, I understand it.

 

r3m4,
You're wise to seek a spiritual path.

I may laugh at the irrational oddities and exaggerated pretentions that inevitably cling to the various spiritual paths Gnostic or otherwise, but they're better than what we call normality.

And structured normality is all we can expect if we've grown up in civilization.

By the time a civilized child is five years old it's already too late, we're already too repressed to ever have a chance of experiencing within our own skins, during our lives, more than a few fleeting moments of natural spontaneous perfection.

If any mushroom or spiritual path, Gnostic or otherwise, can help you to experience a more intimate connection, then don't hold back.

You already suspect all that and probably more , I can tell.

 

i believe that nothing has to exist. nothing has to not exist. and that nothing that does exist has to resemble what anyone thinks they know about it.

why?

because other then the observable that some things happen more often then others
and that some things happen more often with other things happen first

all other verbal and textual expression, begins in speculation and ends in speculation.
(and this doesn't mean anything can't or doesn't exist, it just boils down to the same thing that when two people argue about belief they are both wrong, and why it is that they are)

and i have to second occam's notion
that athiests, agnostics and gnostics, all each need our own seperate forums.

=^^=
.../\...

 

Then how could we have such lively debates? Uninterested people would not accidently stumble on these threads and then have to throw their 2 cents in.

This is very rad.

It should stay like this.

 

once organisation has reached a quantitative goal, it should not be continued toward a qualitative one in this case. teh division of subforums is only necessary when certain forums are flooded with too large a range of topics. this forum is not overflowing at all, thus there is no reason to split it further except to seperate ourselves into more of a typical us-them situation

 

i agree, take a look at the Communist forum in Politics, all those assholes never wanna debate anything because they love just pulling each others pud talking about the same shit

How better to have a conversation than by having opposing ideas conversing? It makes it more interesting. Agreed?

 

Why are you atheist?
Because there is no god(s)

 

dd3

None can show a god does not exist. It is beyond the capacity of humans to do so.
And none can show one does.

Athiesm and thiesm reveal nothing.
The 'concept' of a god however is quite viable.

Thus agnosticism exists.

Occam

 

i think while humans cant discern what god is, we can discern what god isnt. god isnt gravity for example. gravity might be a tool of god but god is beyond that. god isnt the wavelength of a laser. god isnt the doppler effect. god isnt a proton. the further we extend these basic relationships, the further we can come to estalishing what occurences are directed by god and what are directed by standard forces - whether tools of a god or not

 

Ditto.