Why are Native Americans so angry? Advice on a bad neighbor!?

Discussion in 'People' started by Sinead 1965, Dec 3, 2019.

  1. Sinead 1965

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    I do understand understand how a minority feel.There are certain things that I as a lesbian woman have to think about, face up to, confront, suffer, that heterosexual people can live with as some kind of privilege and take for granted. When I was a teenager, the other girls were into boys. But me... I was always left out, and terrified. I already felt like a monster at age 11 or 12 or so when I first started going through puberty. Because I knew I wasn't like the other girls, and attracted to what they are.
     
  2. Irminsul

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    I think you should....
    Bury the hatchet.
     
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    Does he posses firearms?
     
  4. Sinead 1965

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    I am not sure. He says he doesn't.
     
  5. Sinead 1965

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    I really want to "Bury the hatchet". I have been calm and reasonable towards him, not confronting. I can't even go into my yard now as I become very anxious. But he does not appear to possess any empathy towards me... he never apologized for upsetting me or say anything nice in regards to me. He thinks that I am inferior. He calls me little ugly dyke. This is predominantly white neighborhood. Maybe that is why this guy my Native neighbor is so aggressive.
     
  6. Sinead 1965

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    I am Irish American. The Irish are the most historically oppressed people ever. They weren't slaves, but they held essentially the same social status as newly freed slaves. They were considered a separate racial group and regarded as the "white negroes" of the UK.
    Following the end of slavery in United States Irish immigrants and newly freed slaves competed for the same low wage jobs and frequently lived in overlapping slums. They were also drawn as simian cartoons, widely regarded as stupid, lazy, drunken trouble-makers, and the term paddy wagon for a police car even comes from the then offensive slang "Paddy" (short for Patrick) used for the Irish.
    No, they no longer face the discrimination they once did, and this image is still silly, but if you actually look into it there was a time when the Irish were certainly "oppressed". They were discriminated against for their religion (protestant american majority vs Irish catholics) their culture, their looks, their perceived intelligence and work ethic. They were heavily negatively stereotyped and shunned. There was a lot of racism against Irish people. But I am not comparing the Irish immigrants to the Native Americans. The Irish were oppressed in the US, but they didn't face the total annihilation of their language, culture, religion, and family structure like Native Americans did. So I feel empathy for Native Americans.
     
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    What the Native American said was correct.

    You (the white man) stole his land and committed mass genocide by spreading disease throughout the Americas killing over 100,000,000 Indigenous people


    Not you personally, but your forebears. He’s pissed and has every right to be. Seems to me he wants to scalp a pale face.

    I don't agree with him because there are less violent options.............lol...

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  9. Eric!

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    Maybe he has had bad white neighbors elsewhere, or experienced certain things growing up that has shaped his opinion. The best thing you can do is simply ignore his ass and move on about your business, unless he poses a threat (verbal or physical damage to your property), and if that happens keep the police on speed dial.
     
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  10. Sinead 1965

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    When this Native guy first moved in next door, he was friendly. We talked. He told me that he was not so lucky to have good parents. His mother was abusive, his father was in prison, he grew up very poor.
     
  11. Irminsul

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    is she the girl off casper?
     
  12. Eric!

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    I think The Adams Family
     
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    Bad life starting out. Some people can never let all that shit go.
     
  14. Asmodean

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    Or smoke the peacepipe :-D
     
  15. Okiefreak

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    No, what he said wasn't correct. It was stupid, because Sinead didn't steal his land (unless there's something in her story she's leaving out.) Sounds like he's just an angry man who is out of control and is blaming other people for his problems. There's probably one in every neighborhood (crank, that is, not Native American), and I consider it to be a personality problem. I even know an Irish-American who hates the English for the offenses their ancestors inflicted, even though he's never been to Ireland. He has a bad drinking problem & spreads misery everywhere he goes. It's everybody else' fault. But from what Sinead says, I think her bad neighbor's best excuse is "His mother was abusive, his father was in prison, he grew up very poor". Racial conflict often masks class conflict.
     
  16. Asmodean

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    How he relates what he said to his neighbour is incorrect, but what he seems to have said about his ancestors land been forcefully taken and occupied by white people and that these people are indeed primarily responsible for the decimation of his people is correct.
     
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    and you are wondering why?
     
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    The oppressed Irish are amongst the most oppressed in the world? That is news to me especially since those Indians had it so good LOL......
    I am no history expert but if I were to have to make a guess of where Ireland stands on the worldwide oppression list I don't think it's near the top
     
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    She's talking about quite a while ago, starting with the Tudor reconquest of Ireland and the reduction of Irishmen to tenants on land they once owned, compounded by Cromwell's victory in 1652, when anyone in Ireland who had resisted the Puritans had their land confiscated--thereby destroying the Irish Catholic landowning class. From then through the 1800s "successive English monarchies and governments enacted laws designed to suppress and destroy Irish manufacturing and trade, and to govern the conduct of Irish Catholics. These discriminatory Penal Laws deprived Catholics of all civil life; reduced them to a condition of most extreme and brutal ignorance and dissociated them from the soil." Ireland’s Troubling History: British Colonialism’s Effect on Irish Research Then came the Irish potato famine of the 1840s, when the staple of the diet of half the population was destroyed by a fungus, and British laissez-faire policies did nothing to prevent the deaths of on-quarter of the Irish population. That's when there was the big influx of Irish to the States, where they encountered fierce opposition from the Anglo population that was already there. "No Irish Need Apply". But they had an advantage over the blacks and Indians: they looked enough like the Anglos to pass, and were able to use politics and employment as police and firefighters to slowly get themselves ahead--sometimes at the expense of African-Americans.How Irish Immigrants Overcame Discrimination in America

    I'm Chickasaw. Don't get me started on the Trail of Tears, but essentially we were forced to march from our tribal homeland east of the Mississippi in the 1830s and dumped here in Oklahoma. We also had black slaves and fought on the Confederate side in the Civil War. Removal | Chickasaw Nation
    The Trail Of Tears: Government-Approved Ethnic Cleansing That Killed Over 15,000 Native Americans These sad chapters in history should be remembered so that we don't repeat them, but to dwell on the past and nurse grudges against people who had nothing to do with them leads to bitterness and never-ending conflict.
     
  20. Sinead 1965

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    The Irish have suffered immeasurably. Oppressed and exploited by Imperialism for almost as long as our history. The history of Ireland is overall pretty tragic. The playbook the Brittish used all over the world of destroying cultures, languages and occupying lands and systematically destroying a way of life was beta tested in Ierland. Ierland never had colonies because it was a colony. There are some who would consider how the potato famine was handled to be bordering on genocide. Also within the British Isles, the Welsh, Scottish Gaelic and Cornish people have been subjected to racist practices.
     
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