Why are Christians such homophobes?

First of all, where did it say that? Second of all, the ten commandments said "Thou Shalt Not Kill". It did not say, "Thou shalt not kill people...". Third of all, you would be surprised to know that the Bible has apparentely been misinterpretated over the years. Remember that in the Midieval (sp??) times that the church liked to control the people. For goodness sakes, there was soo much corruption. My point? When translated, the translators tend to put small twists on it. This isn't the only book however, the Bhagavad-Gita had also had that done over the years.

That is the silliest thing I've ever heard! Love is love, it is beyond gender, age or race. That would be like saying that a white mother and a black father cannot adopt because the child would be too confused as to why his/her parents were not of the same skin tone. If two people are loving they should be allowed to adopt, regardless. If they weren't for that reason, alone, then that would be discrimination. Also, my friend Kevin has two mom's and he is one of the happiest people ever. My aunt's partener has grandchildren and they don't even notice....you cannot say that it will confuse a child or what not because you do not know....some of the happiest children have gay/lesbian parents.[/QUOTE]

I have read most of the Bible...I'm just not a direct quoter...I'm a paraphraser...always was...

Also, you changed the subject...it doesn't matter about loving the sinner or the sin...what I was talking about was that you really shouldn't say anything against it because surly you aren't without sin... be conserned with yourself and your spirituality first and formost....

Oh give me a break! Now you are def being rediculous. That would not happen....a dog is not a person and a child is a minor...furthermore those things have happened, mother/son, father/daughter...remember olden times and royalty...to keep the money in the family...Also, do remember that you cannot point corruption of the law in that way...regardless of whether or not there is homosexual marraiges, people do it anyway...you just even said that male and female roomates do it... Some people in this country live their whole lives on welfare because of laziness when there are others who need it more... no one is going to stop corruption of the system anytime soon (because it happens in our government too)...not while there is greed....so do not use that as an excuse...

First of all, do not assume that I do not believe in God because I follow Vaisasism (Hare Krishna) as well as Christianity. For goodness sakes, it doesn't matter what name you call out, God is God, you just better be calling. Despite that...I, myself, do as best as I can and I respect that you do as well...but you need not judge others or how they do...it sounds selfish, but be conserned with your own spiritual being first...you are in charge of your own destiny...I'm sure you are not going to cast in to the fire-y pit if you don't jump up and down like a loony or whatever and try and make ammendments to out law gay marraige and abortion...you are not practicing these things...so do not worry so much if others do... You do not practice adultry, but others do and there is no law against that one...or greed and Lord knows there's a lot of that...and there are Commandments on those two......

So from now on just worry about your spirituality and finding your own way back home to God.....

 

I'll keep it short. Isn't kinda dumb for you to tell me to "So from now on just worry about your spirituality and finding your own way back home to God....." when you in fact are telling me what to do or believe? Funny. I have to go right now, so I'll post more on the rest of your reply later.

 

Wow. It was interesting to read all of the comments since I last posted. It really seems like no one looked at my links, or if they did then they disreguarded them, because no one has mentioned them or taken them into account.

From the sites:

This is one example from the first site, and i won't post any more because I don't want to waste space making an even longer post. But anyway, before you continue insisting that this is God's law, please check out the sites:

http://www.gayxjw.org/bible.html
http://www.geocities.com/ninure/bible.html

Namaste,

Diana

 

...So, in your belief, a homosexual who follows the teachings of the bible and of Christian will still not be approved by God, purely because of his sexual orientation?

How exactly do you know that God created all these things but he did intend for people to do such things with them? If God is all powerful, all knowing, omnipotent...how is it that you know he did not see any of these things coming? Anyway, putting that aside, Epiphany I would have thought that you would've read the sites I posted, which clearly show that the Bible doesn't necessarily say that it's wrong.

Namaste,

Diana


P.S. Also, Christians who are against homosexuality often mention these few instances in the bible; however the truth is even if some consider it mentioned, it was barely mentioned, and doesn't seem to be that big of a sin. One of the ten commandments is "Thou shall not covet anything of thy neighbor's" but people want others stuff ALL THE TIME! I think we should make a bigger deal of jealousy, its one of the ten commandments! Don't waste time dwelling on homosexuality, God wants you to love everyone.

 

Diana! Very well put...and I will definetely look at those links (evenetually...)


To bandit28....you know what? Nevermind...its not really worth it to sit and argue with you when both of us no that neither of us will really change our minds....I said what I had to say...and you said yours...so that's pretty much it...I'm back to lurkdom for now...

 

Here's something i find kind of interesting

So, Lust is a SIN.....right?

Homosexuality is a SIN........okay you're still with me....good!

Then WHY is Lust not ILLEGAL? Why is LUST not frowned upon like homosexuality? WHY do people get BASHED for being GAY...why do people get judged because they're homosexuals, why do people show discrimination towards homosexuals, but people DONT get bashed for Lust, and they DONT get judged because of lust?

Everyone sins, no matter if they're religious or not.........
Once again i forgot what i was going to be saying next.....Until next time, folks!!!..

 

You're just as bad. Don't think that you can hate gays just because it's socially acceptable, whereas racism isn't. You're a hypocrite.

You say that it's wrong even using "non-biblical reasoning," and then in the very same sentence you tell us what you think men and women were "meant" to do.

 

This is just plain stupid. Just because YOU would be embarassed to talk to your kids about sex doesn't mean that everyone would be. It's only "confusing" until the parent explains it to the child...just like in any other household. Furthermore, a few "confusing questions" is NOT a legitimate reason to prevent someone from adopting a child.

Good luck. And while you're at it, I'd like a million dollars and peace on earth, please.

Just because you and a couple of your buddies were among the fortunate ones who got adopted doesn't mean EVERYONE is. Stop being selfish and look at the bigger picture. There are lots of kids out there who need homes or who need non-abusive homes.

And for the last time, that is a ridiculous cop-out used by homophobes such as yourself and Warrior (and don't even pretend to be better than he is just because you hate a few less minorities). You obviously DO hate the sinner. If you didn't, you wouldn't be trying to deny adoption rights to homosexuals unless you also wanted to deny adoption rights to every single person in the world who sinned (which by my count is...umm...everyone)

I fail to see how this would come about as a result of gay marriage...Legalization of interracial marriages didn't bring about those things.

Since you acknowledge that male/female roommates can do that too, doesn't that clue you in to the fact that the problem is with those health benefits plans and not with gay marriage? Doesn't it also clue you in to the fact that this argument, and every other argument you have made, is completely irrational?

No. You don't. You don't even try. Do you honestly think that Jesus would even be CONCERNED about gay marriage, with all the other problems in the world today? He never once mentioned homosexuality when he was alive.

That's a separate debate. Denying people their basic civil rights and making a few public references to God are not even CLOSE to being the same issue.

 

Well , let me inform you, lust is wrong as well. It is frowned upon. However, I don't think we humans have a way of controling and policing what someone is thinking. So, to clear things up, lust is wrong, but can't be stoped. Please, find something else to argue with.

I never said I hate happy people. But back to the subject, I never said I hate homosexuals. You can type till your fingers fall off, but I will not sway from The Word. Homosexuality is wrong. I have given non-biblical evidence and biblical evidence. You can keep on typing all you want, it is useless.

 

You have NOT given ANY non-biblical evidence. Telling me what you think people were "meant" to do, with no explanation whatsoever, is NOT evidence.

Furthermore, even your biblical evidence is shaky at best. Jesus didn't go around condemning homosexuals. If you actually tried to emulate Jesus, you'd learn to love thy neighbor, and to not try to get the speck out of his eye when you have a log in your own.

Basing a campaign of hate (yes, that's what it is) on your religion is probably the most blasphemous thing you can do.

 

What he said has nothing to do with being embarassed. Life is created between a man and a woman. Sorry, but that is what the Bible says and we don't want to confuse our children when they see two members of the same sex together and question how and why.

The point he was making was that adoption really had nothing to do with homosexual marriages. Just because gay couples are getting married, doesn't mean that everyone is going to make a mad dash to their local adoption agency. Most couples have a surrogate mother or father picked out already.

Actually, I tend to think that most people in this world, gay or straight, don't make good parents. Most people are not emotionally, mentally, or financially ready (doesn't mean they have to have a high paying job, just means they should one) to have children. Their own destructive patterns (alcohol, drug, sexual abuse) reflect in their children and the cycle continues. Most people don't understand how much of an impact the things they say and do has on their kids. That is from a psychological point of view, not a Christian one. From a Christian point of view, I have to agree. It's pointed out clearly in the Bible. God created man. Then God created women. Together they created life.

What does interracial marriage have to do with anything? That has no signifigance in this conversation being that it's not a sin. Nowadays it's okay for women to get pregnant and then kill their unborn children. It's acceptable to have sexual intercourse before marriage. It's okay to have sex with mutiple partners. It's acceptable to walk around dressed like a hooker. So, let's add same sex marriages into the pot. Why not.... I guess we just don't have enough sin.

Apparently, you are not grasping the point. Did Jesus physically speak about every single topic known to man? NO, that is what the Bible is for. God gave us the entire Bible to learn from. The Bible speaks of homosexuality taking place 2,000 years before it was trying to dominate the earth. Jesus is God in the flesh, it's spoken in the Bible. Therefore, Jesus said it. Yes, every sin is important in God's eyes.

 

Umm, sorry to put this so bluntly: When it comes to adoption, marriage, and other civil issues, WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS? Not every single person in this country is a Christian, and even less are intolerant, homophobic Fallwell Christians. If you want to argue that homosexuality is wrong, fine, I'll listen to your biblical arguments and shoot them down one at a time. If you want to argue that homosexuals should not be allowed to marry or adopt, you better have some good SECULAR arguments, something better than "Duhhh....Jeebus sez it's wrong lol". (Yes, people are probably pissed off now. So am I. Tough shit.)

Whatever the effect on the adoption rate, it doesn't change the fact that gays should have the RIGHT to adopt if they so desire.

And you don't think that alcohol/drug/sexual abuse are bigger problems than gay people wanting to adopt a child? Even if you believe that most people don't make good parents (which I don't completely disagree with), certainly you recognize that there are varying degrees of incompetence. Ask yourself this: If you had the chance to take a child out of an abusive home and place him/her with loving parents who happened to be of the same sex, would you really not do it? What would you tell the child?

The gospel according to you. Tell that to a 1950s Alabaman. Oh I forgot, they were wrong and you're right about everything.

Twenty years from now, homophobia will (hopefully) have moved out of the realm of social acceptance...I wonder who you conservative evangelists will turn your rage on then. Maybe hating Jews will be fashionable again!

What does that have to do with gay marriage? Even if, for some strange reason, you still believe that homosexuality is wrong after I've completely hosed every irrational argument you've posed, what makes same-sex marriage wrong? I see a few vague references to homosexual sex acts in the Bible, but nothing at all about homosexual marriage being wrong.

No person who is actually EDUCATED in theology or even literature seriously considers Jesus and the Old Testament God to be EXACTLY THE SAME ENTITY. Their personalities are completely different. Are you telling me Jesus would have advised people to rain down fire and brimstone on cities, if he only had more time to speak to the world about other issues?

 

Apparently you care, considering the fact that you keep this debate going. After all, you did start the thread. If you are tired of hearing comments from Christians, then why do you continue to post? Honestly...you made a post about Christians, did you not expect us to reply with scripture? Actually, no, I'm not really pissed off.

Actually, it's the gosepl according to the Bible. If the 1950's Alabaman baptists were true Christians, they would have loved their neighbors as themselves as the word of God taught. Not persecute one another over the color of skin. I know quite a few old school southern baptists. Three of them have kicked their own children out of their homes at the age of sixteen. Where in the Bible does it say that? Some white supremecy groups believe in God, but they are racist. There is a difference between knowing of Christ and following him.

I don't know any Christians who hate Jews. I know of people who believe they are Christians who hate jews, but I don't know of any actual Christians who hate.

Hmmm.... you verses the word of God. Sorry, you lose on that one. Irrational only to non-believers. It makes sense to us.

Do those in homosexual marriages not have sex now? Because that is what you said. They have sex, homosexual sex is wrong.

Actually yes.... many people argue it, but it's true. Alot of false Christianity is being spread around. It's sad how many false prophets rise up and teach others things that do not coincide with the word of God. God is Jesus, Jesus is God. People can possess all sorts of special degrees and merits in Theology, but if you don't have a relationship with the Lord and your not filled with the holy spirit, then your wisdom doesn't prove much. Wisdom comes from God, not man. Anyone can quote scripture, but not everyone knows what it is saying. The Bible says that many praise the Lord with their lips, but do not know him with their hearts.

People to rain down fire and brimstone on cities? Um, where does it say people? It says God rained down fire and brimstone. Jesus said in Luke 12:51: "Do you think I have come to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division."

 

Epiphany you rock. You and campbell. You know who I am right? Well I am not going to say it because I don't want to disapear again. But anyways, I think you pretty much said what needed to be said. He is a blind sinner and will not understand until he opens his heart.

You know, I have always liked this one:

In the begining, God created Adam and Eve......not Adam and Steve!

 

You too hun! but um, honestly, I don't have a clue. You could pm me and tell me who you are. Now I feel bad that I don't know

 

Being as Homosexuals can do nothing about being homosexual do you not think it’s a little obscene to love a God that has already condemned you before you were even born? If giving my services to the Lord involve pushing my views on other people or condemning things i know nothing about to the point when people get hurt then I’ll take my chances with the fiery pits of hell thanks. I dont see it as self worship and just for the record i worship lots of things in life. These things are all made by God therefore in a way i'm worshiping God's creations and by doing do I guess i'm worshiping God.

 

No actually without the openness to educate and talk about sex how many young people would now be infertile because of disease? How many people would have died due to an STD without the ability to use condoms (another thing that the church doesn’t agree with) Sexual disease was around long before we could openly communicate about sex and one of the worst hit areas is Africa where homosexuality is not acceptable and most people are married. Aids is riff in this area and people are still not willing to communicate about sex or more importantly safe sex. I'm not glad the puritans had this view about sex i feel if you’re mature enough to have sex then your mature enough to discuss sex. God never actually mentioned the word homosexual that word was only 'translated' into the bible in the 1920's. No biblical word for homosexual ever actually existed. Know your facts before you judge.

 

You make the decision to be homosexual. You aren't born with it. Just like you learn to be an angry person. You aren't born angry. You aren't born homosexual. Homosexuality is a perversion even when you look at it outside of The Bible. How are babies made? Certainly a baby can not come from a man sticking his penis into another mans anus. Nor can a baby be produced by two women rubbing their vaginas together. If we look at nature, we will see some species were made to reproduce asexualy, meaning they can produce on their own. Other creatures have the ability to change sexes to reproduce. Sorry, but we don't fit that criteria. Even if you want to look at it from a belief that we evolved from something like an omeba or something, we didn't evolve into something ment to be with the same sex. Homosexuality is a perversion. You can't argue this. What you can argue is the fact that it's what you want to do, and it is what feels good to you and you don't want anyone telling you it's wrong. It's ok though, I understand this sin, in one way or another we have more than likely all felt this way about something. Reguardless, when you sit down and think about the main function of a penis, if you see it as something used for pleasure inside of another man, you aren't thinking straight(no pun intended).