Why are Christians such homophobes?

The Bible states that having sex with one of the same gender is destable in eyes of God.

New Testament:
Romans 1:26&27 - Men commiting indecent acts with other men. (Does this not take place between homosexual men?) (Not many people, heterosexual or homosexual, follow the no sex before marriage idea, and that is sad)
1 Corinthians 6:9 - "Homosexual offenders" - It does say homosexual

The Bible is the word of God, if you want to know what he thinks, read it. Jesus is God in flesh form. Their words are the same.

 

This is not handy, but anyone who has studied the Bible knows it is there. One of the reasons S&G were destroyed was because of homosexuality - male and female.

Yes, there is suppose to be a seperation of church and state. It does not exist, but it is proclaimed. In spite of this seperation I follow my God before my country. As for "the eyes of the government", they are glued shut to the people. It is all for money and power.

My denial is not "fear". My denial is by Gods word. I will not allow a murderer or pedophile into my home, why a homo? God specifically states that we do not associate with people of these types. What is the problem here? Do any of you want to associate with a person like me - a confessed racist and anti-semite? NO! You prefer the company of idolators and blasphemers to me. Guess what? I prefer to be alone to your company , but God commands that I do His work. And you self-rightous "Christians", read these words: In the end times man will turn against God and persecute His people. You see it; You live it. But tell me, who is the most dispised Christian among you here? Even the "Christians" deny me as thier brother. Even the Christians eyes are closed to the words of God - Blinded by deceivers.

seamonkey had made a statement that I probably beat up on minorities and gays. I was answering that. In my reply I was affirming that I had had physical fights with minorities but not gays.

 

That's basically what I said in the first statement. I was pointing out the new testament facts since quite a few people seem to not follow the old testament. Personally, I try to follow the whole book.

 

Good for you! It is good to see that someone here is bright enough to know that misguided ignorance and not God devided His Holy words into 2 Testaments.

However Sodom and Gomorrah are in the Old Testament. Either way, you know that they go together and that is what is importance.

Another thing that I am not going to look up: Jesus said not to cast pearls before swine. Christians are attempting that here if you will look closely at our biggest haters (and look at Jesus' words on who He was speaking of). We as Christians have never said here that we hate homosexuals or fear homodexuals, but because we do not go along with majority opinion, we are the sick and disgusting ones. And if we do not love them then we are not "Christians". But, just as Jesus, we are not loved either; just as Jesus, we are feared. We have that truth that they have never found, and it makes them jealous. I say these fools will worship thier false gods and bow down before idols of man, but tomorrow as they awaken and say, " oh, damn, another day." We will say, "Thank you Lord, for this day. Amen."

 

You're that big fat kid from American History X, aren't you? Just admit it.

 

Exactly... it's interesting how we continue to point this out because others continue to argue.

 

I dont even know any "homophobes". Seems the most frightened people here are anti-Christians. Instead of Christians hating and fearing homosexuals, it shines brightly before my eyes that there is an intolerant bunch here who, despite thier preachings of tolerance, cannot, will not tolerate the Christians views and beliefs. This funny little group expects Christians to accept that they will not tolerate us, but DEMANDS that we tolerate a perverse behavior. Why is this, Christianphobes?

 

I am not a Christian, so I guess you weren't taking to me about the lack of accepting you as a brother. However, according to my own personal beliefs and what I have learned from the religion I follow, I should never despise anyone, including you.

"The man who foolishly does me wrong, I will return to him the protection of my most ungrudging love; and the more evil comes from him, the more good shall go from me. "

"'He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me,' in those who do not harbour such thoughts hatred is appeased."

So, although I debate with you on this forum, and completely disagree on certain issues, do not think I hate you.


I found a really good site I think you and others should read. The author of the website talks about the mention of same gender sex in the bible. Whoever wrote it seems to have great knowledge about the bible IMO, so before completely disreguarding the site, at least take a look at it.

Finally, I must say it is a very disturbing to know you fight people of other races. Why would you fight someone physically at all? Did Jesus ever roll up his sleeves and start fighting someone based on the color of their skin?


Namaste,

Diana


***Edit: Sorry =/ I realized that I forgot to post the website that I mentioned above. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it so now I am desperately searching on Google to find it. Sorry, I'm looking for it as fast as I can.***

 

I am a great believer in God..yes.

Yes, the bible Does state that homosexuality is a sin......but my question is...why would it be considered a sin? Love all that you see.....
If a man (or a woman) acts upon homosexuality, alot of people look at them as nasty, and like it's the biggest sin known to man....and I too have realized that most that are against homosexuality(between male AND female) Are Christians.

I'm not meaning to rustle any feathers here...but yeah.
Homosexuality is also considered a CRIME if you act physically upon it with another person.....WHY is love, lust, and happiness ILLEGAL for them, and not for straight people (gonna get some really big answers on that one i know...ack)
Homosexuals have feelings too, they don't express their feelings any different than straight people do....they are just attracted to the same sex, why is that a crime? and why is gay bashing not mentioned anywhere? Is it in the bible that one should not act in an irrational way to people that are homosexuals????....
I really lost what i was trying to say here....I am a christian, and i am one of VERY FEW that i know that are for homosexuality...
A church that i used to go to, a friend still goes to it.....That WHOLE CHURCH is going..i think this weekend... to PROTEST homosexuality and gay marrige...now tell me.....is this really freedom for everyone? for it to be ILLEGAL? America is supposed to be the land of the free.....not land of the controling.

 

Well, lust is a sin for everyone. Acting on it is a sin for everyone as well. God created men and women for the purpose of childbirth. That is just how he chose for it to be. We cannot comprehend all the things of God. I will agree that it is sad because of the aspect of love and happiness. Honestly, I feel for those in homosexual relationships.

 

Warrior said: "If God wanted homosexuals he would have only made one sex."
I say: "If God didn't want same gender sex he would not have created homosexuals."

Namaste,

Diana

 

oh, and btw, about the site that I said I would post I can't seem to find it again. This is really disappointing and depressing, since I have looked through countless sites on Google to find it again. I might try to find another site, but I doubt it will be as good as the one I had originally seen.

Namaste,

Diana

 

hmmmm, I like your perspective. Makes very good sense



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Hey warrior, show where it says in The Bible to hate Jews and other races? You are the one who is mixed up. I agree homosexuality is wrong, even if someone tries to use non biblical reasoning, man and woman are not created to love same sex in the way that a man and woman are ment to love each other. Tell ya what warrior, sit down and have a serious prayer session with God. Ask Him about racism, if you get the answer that it is ok, you are praying to yourself, and God isn't involved.

 

Sigh...I haven't been able to find that site again to my dismay. However I did find some other sites which serve as good substitutes:

http://www.gayxjw.org/bible.html
http://www.geocities.com/ninure/bible.html


Namaste,

Diana

 

Sorry,bandit, this thread is about Christian homophobes and your question is way off topic. I respect skip enough to not stray that far off. Post a new thread and I will respond.

God created man and woman. Sexually, beyond man and woman, is not of God. No where does God approve of homosexuals; nowhere does satan disapprove of them.

 

God created yeast, he didn't intend for people to make beer, get drunk and then drive. God created tobacco plants, but he didn't intend for us to invent cigarettes and cause people to die. Warrior is right, if God intended people of the same sex to be together, then it would have been made mention of in the Bible. Instead, the Bible says that it's wrong. Using the, "God created", theory may sound nice, but it's not true.

 

But did God not create animals and then say, "Thou shalt not kill"? ...we still do though...also don't say that Jesus did it, so its ok...Jesus also died on the cross to save us from our sins...so unless you are willing to do that, do not say that you can do what Jesus does (and that was off Srila Prabhupada, paraphrased, don't want to take the credit for that one...)


So, we cannot pick and choose what we want to follow and what we don't... nonetheless...what is wrong with homosexuality if it doesn't lead to sex (I know I'm thinking perfect world here...but let me finish). If a couple wanted to get married so that they could legally be a family and adopt children, would that be unacceptable? Would you rather have children go from foster home to foster home all their lives or live in war torn countries, when they could have a chance at a new life with people who love them and would care and provide for them? You say that marriage is the sacred bond between a man and a woman...but if we are going to go on separation of church and state, there's nothing wrong with a civil union...it doesn't bother the church, so it shouldn't bother you because no one is asking you to do that, nor are homosexuals going and requesting to marry in your church...

Also, wasn't it Jesus, when people were casting stones at the sinners, that he who has not sinned may cast the first stone (I don't know the exact quote...I remember stories not exact things...)...? So, regardless of whether or not the Bible says homosexuality is wrong or right...unless you have never sinned before in your life...I don't think you are in the exact possition to say things flat out about homosexuality...or whatever else...

...we are not perfect beings...we try to improve ourselves...so we should worry about our own spirituality and achieving God realization, God consciousness...and not point fingers so much at others...

That's all I have to say. You could agree or not agree...but I am saying it nonetheless...

 

He gave us animals for food. "Of all the animals that live on the land, these are the ones you may eat" (Leviticus 11:1)

Exactly...Like I have said before, someone who is serious about God will not try to pick and choose.

Well, if they are getting married, then sex will most likely be involved. Actually, in this day and age, sex tends to take place before marriage regardless of sexual preference.

Yes, I would prefer to see a child in a loving home rather than foster home. In fact, I have very strong opinions on raising children. However, God made the laws, I didn't

But the point is that God says it's wrong. As Christians we go by God's laws. If he says that marriage is a bond between a man and a woman (which he does), then as Christians, that is what we are to follow. Everyone is on Bush's case for not being, "politically correct", and agreeing with homosexual unions. But you what, he is upholding that which God has commanded. I don't care if what I say is not politically correct. Jesus was not politically correct either.

Yes, but as Christians, we are upholding God's law. Jesus said not to cast the first stone. Stoning in punishment for sinning. We are not punishing, we just do not want to be part of what God does not allow. If homosexuals have the blessings of the state to get married, then the state can marry them. But as Christians, we are following God's law. God does not sanction the marriage between two persons of the same sex. Therefore, as his followers, neither do we.

 

Nice cop out warrior, I'll make another topic when I finnish here.

Sorry, I know you tried, but that argument just doesn't float. As mentioned above, we have permission to eat animals. The 10 Commandments did in fact say thou shalt not kill.....meaning dont go off an kill someone for no reason(and I don't mean "oh he looked at me wrong so I have a reason to kill him"). So again, nice try.

Yes, that would be unacceptable. Now you are confusing the hell out of the child and making the child wonder why he calls a man mommy or a woman daddy. Or even worse when the child begins to wonder where babies come from and then asks dad why mommy doesn't have a vagina, or why daddy doesn't have a penis....Do you want to confuse children? Further more, no, I don't want children to go to foster hom to another home and so on. I want them to go to a good family where the child will have a mother and a father. It's not like children aren't being adopted because there are no homosexual marriages to adopt them. I was adopted and a lot of other people I know were adopted. Adding married homosexuals into the mix won't create a big boost in the adoption rate. Adoption agiencies still look at the family and home involved, and as stated earlier, hopefully they would see how a homosexual family would just be bad for the child. Way to many weird questions to answer for the child.

For the last time, we do not hate the sinners, just the sin. I think it would be a good idea from now on if you are going to attempt to use The Bible against us, at least read and learn what it is you are talkign about.

As perverse as this world is, next on the list will be some man wanting to mary his sheep or dog. Then a father will want to marry his daughter, or a mother to a son, or vise versa....Let's also think about the crap that would come about with same sex marriages. Imagine same sex marriages legal..now imagine to male roomates sharring an apartment. Both hetrosexual, both working, and both wanting better bennifits from work. So they decide to get married just simply to get a family health plan. Does that sound right? I will go ahead and say it so you or someone else doesn't later. No, it's not okay when male and female roomates do it either.

Christians are not homophobic. Just like you choose not to believe in God, we choose to believe in Him. Our morals and way of life come from His word. We do our best to live by His teachings daily. No we are not perfect, but we strive daily to live up to Jesus's example.

PS. Believe it or not, our country and our constitution was based of a Godly way of life. Our pledge is "One nation, under God" and on our money that we love so much says "In God we trust". Please people pick up a history book and relearn what was ment by seperation of church and state and where it came from!