Why are Christians such homophobes?

I'll reply to Real American's posts because he appears to simply be misguided. I will not, however, continue to reply to Warrior's posts because he is a complete idiot and beyond hope. Not only is he a homophobe, but he is an anti-semite. He is clearly so blinded by hate that no amount of reason can get him to change his mind. To quote him from another thread:

What a VERY tolerant individual you are...

Now then, on to the main event:

I posted this topic on a Christian forum. If I expect any response other than "duhh...my god says fags=bad lol!" then I'd better cite scripture. Wouldn't you agree? I'd be happy to argue the point from a secular perspective, but I doubt many Christians would play along. If you are, I'd be glad to.

Pulling bits and pieces of the Bible is exactly what Christian homophobes do. If you truly believe that the Bible is the word of God - EVERY SENTENCE OF IT - then it shouldn't matter whether or not I present you with bits of it. You'd better be willing to do everything the Bible tells you to.

Absolutely not. I will continue to fight for civil rights.

Yawn. An intolerant Christian criticizing a more intelligent Christian for actually questioning her own beliefs. Did you ever stop and think that maybe it's YOU who lacks understanding and faith? Who are you to claim that you know everything that your god meant in the Bible?

You didn't respond to a single point I made in my previous post.

 

Exactly... if you are Christian, and you oppose something because there is mention of it being against God's will in the Bible, automatically, you are condemned as being close minded. What is amusing is that, the same people who are calling you close minded, are not being open minded to your faith, so it's the pot calling the kettle black.

 

That's kinda silly. That would make everybody close-minded one way or another. That's too much relativism even for me...

 

That's the point... everyone is close minded in some way or another. It's human nature.

 

Sorry, that is not an acceptable excuse. I don't see crowds of homosexuals on the streets protesting Christian marriage. If that ever happens, I'll be the first to support your right to marry.

 

As a Christian, I'd just like to say that people like Epiphany, Warrior, and Real American disgust me and do NOT represent the vast majority of Christians. They are a very vocal minority that give us all a bad name. I don't know how God feels about homosexuality, but two things I do know: 1) Jesus said not to try to take the speck out of your neighbor's eye when you have a log in your own. 2) Marriage, as it is currently defined by our legal system, is a civil right. There's no logical reason to deny gays the right to marry other than prejudice, pure and simple.Abbadabba, I hope you'll keep an open mind and not scorn all Christians just because of a few Bible-beating rednecks from the South.

 

Actually, what's NOT accpetable is you judging everyone. You assume that since I am a Christian, I must be homophobic. So, do you assume that if all my friends jumped off a bridge, I would as well?


No, everyone being close minded to some degree isn't an excuse. It's a fact. You want to talk about everyone being close minded, when you are close minded to Christians opposing something that they feel is wrong because that is what their faith in Christ teaches them. So, us Christians are being close minded to something we have faith in, and you are being close minded to our faith. In the end, we are all being close minded in some way, shape, or form. That is how human nature works. No one is open minded to every single thing in this world.

As I said, I personally, am not out protesting homosexual marriages. There are way too many other causes that I would like to contribute my time to rather than worrying about two people of the same sex getting married.

 

theres homophobes in any relegion.


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Heh, so you're criticizing someone for "judging everyone," specifically, judging people who in turn judge people by sexuality.

Your model of closed-mindless is rather convoluted, but anyway, even within that model, some people can be more close-minded than others. I don't know if it's exactly "close-minded" to not unquestionably accept dogma, it doesn't hurt to question doctrine every now and then. I think simply swallowing everything your religion tells you without critically thinking about it is being particularly closed-minded.

 

Yes, I must agree that I don't think you could except every single thing they tell you anyway...some of it, when all layed out, is quite hypocritical...it contradicts itself terribly sometimes...in any religion, not just Christianity...

 

Actually, I am criticizing him for assuming that because a group of people who have faith appear this way, the whole bunch of them must. Just as the friends jumping off a bridge example I used. Just because I am a Christian, doesn't mean that I share the exact same opinions as every other Christian in the world, which is the way he is putting it. He chose to say, "Why are Christians such homophobes".... He should have said, "Why are SOME Christians such homophobes". But he is putting everyone in the same category, assuming that all us Christians share one brain and think the same exact thoughts.
If he was making an assumption about anything else, my statement would be the same. You cannot assume that every person is the same way. It has nothing to do with him accepting faith, it's him being close minded about not respecting the fact that I have the freedom to believe in whatever I choose to believe in. I hate when people always try to to throw out close mindedness when one sticks to something they believe in. I have issues where I am open to both sides, and other issues where I only choose one side. Find me someone who is open to both sides of a topic on EVERY single topic in this entire world.

Which just proves my point. How is one to know how I feel about a situation without asking me specifically? If I want to know what you think, do I ask your group of friends? No, I ask you as an individual. I don't assume that your entire group shares the same opinion on everything, which is what he was doing when he made the first post.

I don't know anyone who, "swallows", everything that their religions tells them. Again, because not all people think the same thing!

 

---First off to the original poster, stop making generalizations.

---Secondly, I can tell you a few things about myself, a Christian.

---I am not a hippy. I have very "liberal" views socially but economically I am very "conservative."
Social Liberal + Economic conservaitve= Libertarian (for the most part)

---I'm Catholic, although my church is against it, I don't have a problem one bit with homosexuals or homosexuality.

---I support civil unions or gay marriges recognized by the state, becasue it is obviously separate (or supposed to be) but the problem is evangelical Protestants and some Catholics try to push their morals into legislation. (I am against abortion for legal reasons, not moral/religious ones, for example).

---I don't think gays are going to hell.


---Conclusion: Gay civil unions/marriges should be allowed, if 2 gay people want to get married, what business is it of mine anyway?

 

Point taken. I have known some people that do absorb everything their religion tells them though, I suppose that influences my view on religious people as a whole.

 

Well, I was about to point out that Christians are not homophobic, but looks like several beaten me to it.

Yeah, right next to the part that says having blue eyes is wrong!

 

this is a pretty unconvincing point. jesus also never mentioned child molestation. but no one would try to argue that pedophelia was ok. nor would they say that a pedophile was born that way. nor would anyone say that a person who wants to have sex with little kids shouldn't refrain themselves from acting out on that attraction. but anyway, to each his own.

 

Hmmm...a little child in most cases doesn't have a choice, cannot consent. Two grown people who have chosen to have sex together can...that is about as comparable as the man who wanted to marry his sheep

 

Jesus did mention child molestation, in that he often spoke out against harming others (as child molestation does). Homosexuality harms no one, and therefore does not fall under that category. Jesus talked about all of the "big" sins at some point in his life, but homosexuality was obviously so unimportant to him that he never once mentioned it.

 

Maybe he didn't mention homosexuality because he himself was gay.... ever consider that? Look at him, he hung around a bunch of men, never got married, no mention of a girlfriend..... I think that would be totally awesome if Jesus was gay!

 

I never really thought about it like that before, but I suppose it is possible. Now that I think about it you might be right, there are some clues that he might've been gay...