Why a sanctuary?

Do you know the name of this thread?

If you don't want to discuss it why are you here?

 

Then what's the point of a sanctuary, you seem to be missing the point...

Then why a sanctuary?

I'm just sticking to the point of this thread which is why a sanctuary.

Who said there was?

 

Why is asking you a question not part of the discussion?

Is there some reason you would rather sling barbs than give an answer?

To answer your question, I'm here to try and understand why people like you care about others discussing a topic they have in common.

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JackFlash, I'm waiting for an answer to that one as well. :toetap05:

sanc·tu·ar·y (săngk'chū-ĕr'ē)
n., pl., -ies.

• 1. A sacred place, such as a church, temple, or mosque.
  2. The holiest part of a sacred place, as the part of a Christian church around the altar.
• 1. A sacred place, such as a church, in which fugitives formerly were immune to arrest.
  2. Immunity to arrest afforded by a sanctuary.
• A place of refuge or asylum.
• A reserved area in which birds and other animals, especially wild animals, are protected from hunting or molestation.

I'm gonna go with number 3 in this particular case.

You seem kind of confrontational about the fact that there is a sanctuary, so I'm going to say you (albeit indirectly).
Why have a sanctuary? Because it serves to protect people from the constant badgering of atheists and others who think they know what is right or intelligent when this is all a matter of opinion and no one can ever KNOW anything for sure. You can draw a parallel there if you want, but personally, I don't think ALL Christians should be punished because a few can't keep their mouth shut about how much they love Jesus.
If they want to have you tear their beliefs apart, they will come here and respond to one of your threads. It is giving them a choice. I believe it is justified.
I don't know how much clearer I can be...

You okay, there?

 

I know how to tie my shoes, fo shor.

 

You are asking me why I care about the sanctuary and in response I have said why give special privilege to a certain group of people, I'm not saying to take it down I'm pointing out the fact that when open discussion on a subject is shunned it's normally a sign that should put one on edge.

Sling barbs, sorry if I hurt your feeling's

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They can discuss anything they want, how am I stopping them from doing so, if you haven't checked lately the bible questions thread is in it's third posting and altogether has over 3000 post's, many of which I have added, this thread is for discussing why a sanctuary something that seems to constantly allude you.

 

Sanctuary was not created because any one sect or group of individuals or their religious beliefs were being smashed ... far from it ...

Sanctuary was created because it was a place imune to the rules imposed on the Christianity Forum. Imposed because people could not, would not stop proselytizing in an attempt, albiet rather aggressively and at times to the point of hostility, to convert people to Christianity.

The Christian forum was installed for the discussion of the Christian Religion. But it seemed that some folks just couldn't wrap their head around the whole "discuss" thing. They wanted to continually copy-n-paste bible quotes and that was about 90% of the content of their posts, the rest was an in-your-face post about how the reader was sinning and doomed to whatever their idea of hell was because of not taking interest in listening to them.

End of story is, folks just got plain fed up with it, complained to Skip, who then imposed the New Rules! thread. It also prompted the blind-eye to those who fueled discussion based on their own personally-biased dislike for Christianity like FedUpAmerican, which kept the forum in a discussion-only mode. Unfortunately he had to be subdued because his agenda changed to a more extreme hateful form of discussion to the point where he even became aggressive to Skip ... bad move on his part because in the beginning he had some interesting topics to talk about.

It was out of this chaos that Sanctuary was born where folks who wanted to talk Christianity, who wanted to post copy-n-paste bible quotes, and for those readers who didn't feel threatened by the in-your-face proselytizing proselytizers (is that legal, using the same word twice?). In the beginning the forum was started by an HF member and later became a sub-forum to the Christian forum.

That is exactly the reason it was started. And that is the reason it will stay the way it is. Because people just don't understand what is discussion and what is preaching with the intent to convert (proselytizing).

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Why is it needed, what harassment is being bombarded on the christians that warents a sactuary?

Perhaps you should check the definitions of yoru definitions.

Well if you consider asking why there is a sactuary confrontational I suppose your right, whats your point?

Who is being constantly badgered, seriously where are the complaints?

What are you talking about?

Why is that whenever a thread about evolution is posted it gets swamped by creationists or other quacks who are in oppositon to it and yet no one is asking for a seperate thread to discuss evolution away from the free inquiry of others?

Because this is supposedly a forum that supports free speech and why would someone not want to hear the other side of an arguement?

Probably not much, that's the problem.

 

This is obviously a good faith effort on the part of the moderators to facilitate meaningful discussion, Not to restrict speech.

 

Interesting, thanks for the info.

 

I don't understand ...

The moderators had nothing to do with the changes ...

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You're not important enough or intelligent enough to hurt my feelings.

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The very best form of online sanctuary is called Turning Off Your Computer. I use it often.

 

Did you not contract with olderwaterbrother to make this thread sticky?

 

sorry darrelkitchen, I think I have my threads confused. I was referring to Bible questions 111. But what I observe about the role of a moderator in general on these forums is their role of keeping the peace, or facilitate meaningful discussion. As we cannot in fact murder each other over the internet, vitriolic confrontation is not meaningful.

 

I meant in the context of religious beliefs or lack thereof.

Thank you for this. It is a good point and just as valid a reason as any to have a Sanctuary.

I did not specifically say harassment. I said it's the same reason the vegans have their own section in the Animal Activists forum. So that when they have a genuine concern within their belief they are not met with 'why do you believe in that anyway?', 'just give it up.' or 'yer stoopid, eat meat.' Some of these could be seen as harassment and some could be just questioning. It's not necessary to have a haven, it's just respectful- to all (according to what darrellkitchen has written).

I don't know. I'm not a mod. I don't get complaints. I do know that if I were in a crisis of faith, the last person I would want to hear from is you or someone with your tenacity for trying to prove my belief invalid. I'm not trying to insult you. I'm just saying your input would be the last thing I would be looking for at that point in time.

Would you like one? I'm sure it could be arranged. I wouldn't be opposed to one.

We can hear the other side of the argument you're referring to. We just have to step right outside the Sanctuary to the Christianity forum and it will be there waiting for us. I know you think we shouldn't have the right to be protected from the "other side of the argument", but the fact of the matter is that within the Sanctuary, what an atheist (or follower of an opposing religion) has to say most likely has nothing to do with the argument when it is within the Christian belief.
Are there a number of topics in the Sanctuary that you specifically would like to have commented on but found you couldn't because it violated the rules of that forum? There are ways to circumvent this rather than not having one at all. Why not bring the discussion out here? I find that keeping the Sanctuary is worth (for all involved) a few extra clicks of the mouse to start a new topic.

Special privilege- you call one small area of the forum special privilege. I wouldn't call it THAT special...
And discussion is not being blocked by any means. You have every right to discuss whatever topic you wish out here. Like I said, if there is something in there that's getting you riled, by all means bring it out here and we'll tear it up and analyze it. Do you not have the right to view the threads? It's not like there are literally stone walls put up around it so you can't see what's being done in there... trust me, there's no war being planned and no champagne being served.


Small disclaimer: I don't even know why I'm getting into this. I can't even remember the last time I posted in the Sanctuary. I think I'm just looking to expend some energy. I'm not trying to get bent out of shape over it if that's how I come off.

 

You have an important point. Belief is a symbol chosen to represent an unknown variable. Belief, by design, can only contend with other beliefs. Belief is not free to consider the truth at all. However faith, which is the willingness to allow things to emerge, can lead us to expanded enjoyment.

 

Ouch, that one stung a little!

 

Is it not an option to ignore certain posts?

If someone was having a crisis of "faith" maybe that would be the best time to listen to both sides of whatever arguement is being discussed.

And this has what to do with the sanctuary?

Is a "crisis of faith" the same thing as what alcoholics refer to as a moment of clarity?

Then just ignore it?

It would not be needed, again what would be the point why not be open to all arguements at all times?

Not for lack of trying however.

Do you feel spent yet?

 

I personally dislike religion, but if I frequented an athiest forum I wouldn't want to have to fight for my beleifs all the time either.