whos the police shot?

No disrespect, but that's a little paranoid. There's a whole heap of witnesses to this one and I don't think they've got the option of brushing it under the carpet even if they wanted to.

 

Why? What purpose does misinformed speculation serve? Especially when it's entirely loaded in one direction? You'll notice how most people polarise into two camps - pro or anti police. They then choose to interpret the facts to suit their own agenda. That hardly even qualifies as speculation - that's just a prejudiced opinion.

Speculation is fine if you have some facts to work with. If not, it's just a pointless guessing game. Until the police explain their reasons for shooting this guy then we're wasting our time debating the issue. We could rant until we're blue in the face, only to have it emerge that he shouted "die police scum, I blow you christian filth into little pieces!" right before they opened fire. A little unlikely I know, but let's just hang fire until we have all the facts. If the coppers had done the same, then this guy might still be alive. So it might be a good idea to practice what we preach, eh?

 

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Key word being 'misinformed'.

 

Possibly..although what witnesses 'saw' and what actually happened can be a fine line. The council for the police are amazing at manipulating such circumstances as we've seen many times before.

And ofcourse that works both ways, granted.

 

Well then that's not exactly an accurate representation of what's happening - we are seeing partially informed speculation.

As far as I know the terms of reference of the inquiry have not even been set yet. I'm sure there will be calls for all or parts of the investigation and inquiry to be held in secret on grounds of national security particularly with regard to Kratos and the political decisions which implemented this. Keeping this issue in the public eye will exert pressure to divulge this information publicly and expose these secret decisions and policies to democratic scrutiny. Again, taking the Hutton inquiry as a model, the media interest was I'm sure a factor in why we in the end got a full public inquiry.

 

We could rant until we're blue in the face, only to have it emerge that he shouted "die police scum, I blow you christian filth into little pieces!"

hahaha

i live nr brighton station, just walked past and theres loads of mumpy looking fuckers with machine guns there. i gotta get on a train with a backpack next week. i asked one if hes killed anyone laterly, but he ignored me.
i reckon theyll be doin everything in there power to cover up the facts, i dont trust em as far as they can throw me.
they dish out fat jail sentences to people that dont deserve it, so hopfully one of them will get 7 yrs or so for manslaughter, but i doubt that very very much.
fingers crossed though.

 

I just got my second speeding ticket in under 2 months ... The police suck

 

That Kombi of yours should have sprayed her numberplates!

You wanna have words with her!

 

And why are you speeding ? In a rush to somewhere ?

 

The student visa of Jean Charles de Menezes expired two years before he was shot by police, the Home Office says.

Officials said they wished to end speculation over his immigration status but added it was "not intended" to influence any investigations.

Yeah sure it isn't!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4725659.stm

 

My Kombi is a boy van

 

yes ... on both counts

It's scary out there ... going outdoors for too long could get you shot

 

And speeding is more likely to make you a victim, or a killer !

Sorry mate, one of my pet hates.

Peace.

 

Shoot to Kill = Extrajudicial Killings =
Assassination = State Sanctioned Cold Blooded Murder (29 July 2005)

Finally the public pretence is over. The 'brothers' Blair, Sir Ian and Tony, are no longer trying to deceive the public with the Dixon of Dock Green police personna. It was a deception that failed many years ago in mining areas, perhaps even before PC Dixon was invented, but still persisted.

The shoot to kill policy was refined by the butcher of Sabra and Shatila, Ariel Sharon. It is now the fully endorsed policy of the British police force, and is here to stay. Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, says that further mistakes will be made, but the policy would remain 'in order to protect!' This surely negates the self-justifying apology that followed the assassination of Jean Charles de Menezes - which now translates to, sorry but we'd do it again.

The prediction that further loss of life will occur due to police mistakes is hardly surprising for a number of reasons:

They cannot tell the difference between a table leg and a gun, as in Harry Stanley's case. An intelligence led assassination is wholly dependent upon the accuracy of information. The tragedy of the Iraq war is testimony to the failings here.

In de Menezes' (a Brazilian) case they said his inappropriate clothing increased their suspicions. When in Cuba a couple of years ago the temperature dropped from 35C to 26C the locals took to wearing jumpers and jackets. Hardly a reason to receive seven shots in the head and one in the shoulder! Equally the claim about the clothing could be police spin - other descriptions that have emerged suggest de Menezes was not dressed differently to anyone else.

So this is police state Britain. Failure to obey police instructions will result in summary execution. Shot in the head whilst restrained and detained. Do not go to prison, do not pass go, do not stand trial - die.


http://www.londonclasswar.org/news.htm




Couldn't have put it better myself!!

 

Class War is good for a laugh, but it's hardly home to reasonable and intelligent politics. Let's not forget, these are the people that brought us the 'Page 3 Hospitalised Copper'. That's not exactly preaching from the moral high ground, is it?

 

I would have to disagree actually (and you knew I would ), the book Unfinished Business had probably the best analysis of the state of politics in Britain that I've ever read.

Besides, 'Hospitalised Copper' was/is fucking great. Especially if you were/are suffering from police intimidation on a daily basis.

http://www.londonclasswar.org/photos_cops.htm

 

The problem with Class War (and pretty much every left wing rag I've come across) is they're single-minded. Let me elaborate.

Now you see the hospitalised copper thing was very funny as a black joke, but you just knew the Class War lot took it seriously. I'm no fan of the police, and they're certainly guilty of a whole lot of crimes, but that doesn't stop them being human beings. It also doesn't mean that there aren't coppers who're perfectly pleasant blokes who've never had a racist or violent thought in their lives. Gawd knows, I've met a few. So I can't really take seriously any political organisation that celebrates injuring coppers.

Life's complicated. I'll never forgive the police as an organisation for many things: the miners, stop-and-search (or stop-and-beat) in Toxteth, the Beanfield.... the list is pretty long. But that doesn't mean that I stop seeing them as human beings. While I remember those events, I also remember the coppers playing rounders with travellers at Castelmorton festie. I also remember Avebury at the solstice this year, and the coppers making every effort to strike up a dialogue with every crusty they met. Demonising your enemy dehumanises them. Do you want to dehumanise coppers? Dehumanising travellers is exactly what allowed the Beanfield to happen. Are we just gonna return like with like? That's not the kind of world I want to live in.

 

are you apologising for having an opinion or apologising for being holier than thou?

38 in a 30 zone at 1:30am on a country lane near hastings
39 in a 30 zone at 4:40am on upper thames street in the city

Not exactly tearing past a school is it?

 

Doc you know I completely respect you're views.

I only wish I had the capacity to be as forgiving as you are.

Sadly I haven't found it in me yet.