Who was it that associated the hippy movement with politics!?

"Bad enough to be ignorant, worse still to preach ignorance to others."
Ah, that’s very poetic. It’s also utter shit. You prove nothing. You are self-righteous. You are a puppet. You know only what your politicians want you to know. YOU are ignorant. YOU preach ignorance. Did you click that link? Have you read my posts? I think not.
"Votes do count. ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT AREN"T CAST. You not voting is a direct endorsment for the way things are now."
The way things are now? How are things? Things are fine on my end. I grew up with food on my plate. I received an education. I’m a productive member of society. I have fun when there’s fun to be had. I’ve already been over this, I’m not going to repeat myself. Lose the cynicism, turn off your TV; pop some anti-depressants if you’re so distraught over the state of the world.
“You should reply to the entire comment, not just the phrase that gives you a witty come back. You are trying to justify your apathetic lack of concern with poor arguments.”
You focus on the trivial (witty comebacks) and you avoid the issue. You wish for me to reply to the entire comment, in a reply in which you address a fraction of what I had said. (cough cough, hypocrite) Credibility falling. This post of yours was obviously written under duress: “I gotta stop now, else I'm gonna get more insulting. This was pretty agro but I don't want a flame war.”
Flame a war!? And you say I’m the one spreading poison? Maybe you should take a deep breath. And then, most importantly, re-read my posts. Carefully. Hopefully you’ll discover: I’m spreading the love, or trying at least.
(and what do you mean by “agro”? I assume ‘aggressive’, but people tend to get mad at people who assume. All’s I know is that ‘agro’ is a prefix relating to soil and earth: agronomy/agriculture.)
“If none of us voted, we would have even worse leaders than we do now.”
You sure about that? I’ve been over this as well. I asked questions. You provided an opinion, that’s cool, but my “poor arguments” and witty comebacks are worth far more than your random speculation. Because they are witty of course.
Perhaps someone can offer some intelligent insight into this matter (read next post): what would happen if no one voted? Any poly sci folk in these forums?
Here’s something else to ponder: no one votes = the greatest non-violent protest ever! And as I’ve said before, you want change: that would bring about definite change.
“My apathetic lack of concern”? Now I know you haven’t read my posts. Ugh. Whatever. Down with the rage, mate, listen to Rage Against the Machine, the world is beautiful, (more beautiful without politics). I can’t be asked to continue… there’re floods in the Hunedoara region (among others) of Romania, alerts and bulletins need typed up, sent, yadda yadda, god damn pdf’s like a wrench in my computer, so, yeah, carry on, agro, do what your evil leaders say, like a good dog, and vote, power to the politicians, you saviors! Try being your own savior.
Here’s some reading material I’m sure you’ll enjoy:

 

By JON RAPPOPORT:

MAY 26, 2004 9/11 AND THE NEXT STEP: THE WATERSHED MOMENT . Of course, a grand jury could have been organized to investigate 9/11 from top to bottom.
The feds' immediate announcement of the 19 suspects short-circuited all that. But the grand jury system, as originally conceived---a citizen investigative force with unlimited latitude---is taking place as we speak, and has been in session for some time on the subject of 9/11.
It's called the Internet. And the millions and millions of words written about 9/11 on the Internet prove that, at its core, the true grand jury system reflects the natural and unstoppable impulse of citizens to look into crimes. Prior to the Internet, the sick joke that the grand jury system had become indicated that the judiciary thought it could wipe out any real power on the part of civilians to affect criminal probes. I hope you know that the pressure vis-a-vis 9/11 coming from the Internet is not in vain. As long as that pressure does not stop. Sure, the networks and the major papers are keeping the lid on. That's what they always do when the truth is REALLY corrosive. But such repression, these days, gives rise to unpredictable outcomes, because there is so much information floating around. You would think that all this information would reflect voter choices---except, as we all know, those choices in the upcoming presidential election are limited to two distorted men (who are members of Skull and Bones.)

So the Internet has to grow up a little bit. We need more sites that present a good case for not voting. Essentially, both Bush and Kerry are firmly on the side of continuing the repression about 9/11. So, I would say, is Nader. If 9/11 (the truth about) cannot rise to the level of making a political change in the role of the presidency, then the available option---in order to express the truth of 9/11---is not to vote. I point out that the taboo on not voting is a lot stronger than the taboo against calling 9/11 a conspiracy. That's a very interesting fact. It needs to be chewed on. There are far too many mental juveniles running around saying that a vote for Kerry and against Bush will somehow effect and register a better perception about 9/11. That's simply not true. The time-honored hype about voting (or else shut up) is sheer baloney. Making a conscious decision not to vote is a major step. And taking a public stand on that is an even better step.
There are lots of ways to play this. You can probably think up a dozen good slogans. I personally would no sooner buy a used car from Kerry or Bush than I would have from Nixon. It's actually a very Zen thing (in the best sense of that word---I'm not talking cliché now) to confront people with the fact that both Kerry and Bush are extreme lames, AT BEST. Because then people are forced to try to think about what that implies. At which point, their minds begin to spin. They search for a conclusion, and their wheels keeping grabbing air, because they are already assuming they must vote. And with that assumption in tow, they are in nowhere land. They are screwed---as they should be. Their conditioning kicks in---oh I must vote, it's the duty of every citizen, it's what keeps this democracy alive, I have to choose, I have to choose, not voting is a dereliction, my father will come back from the grave and hit me over the head, the lesser of two evils is better than neither evil, other people are voting, what good does it do to follow the news and think about the news if I don't vote, I can't waste my vote, how can I feel proud if I don't vote, I have to be part of this election, something is better than nothing, what would happen if no one voted, we would have chaos...

That is ALL conditioning. Every day, however, in small ways, people "don't vote." They steer around talking to certain people they know are dopes. They refuse to take certain jobs. They refuse to buy useless products. They throw away junk mail. They delete emails that want to make their penises larger. They decline to send money to nephews of Nigerian officials for the purpose of freeing up millions in confiscated funds. They don't sign up for courses that will teach them to play Mozart on the piano in an hour. It's very simple. If all the networks and the major papers had, for the last hundred years, run positive stories on penile enlargement, that would now be the biggest industry in America. If you think my exaggeration is monstrous, consider this: even though 100,000 people die every year in the US as a result of taking correctly prescribed pharmaceuticals, and even though 2.1 million more people are hospitalized from the same cause, and even though there are 22 million significant adverse reactions to those drugs, the industry is thriving.

Not voting as a conscious decision is honorable. Envisioning a day when 68 people, in total, go to the polls to elect a US president and force a peaceful crisis of confidence of unstoppable proportions is noble. There are a thousand ways to rationally arrive at this view. I'm sure you can find one. Suppose for a moment, that, on the presidential ballot, you could select NONE OF THE ABOVE. Suppose that was the law. Suddenly, abstention (not voting) would have currency. It would be looked upon as a reasonable choice. There would be a new assumption: perhaps neither major party has the answers or the character that Americans want. Well, what's the difference between none of the above and just not voting this fall? The only difference is, you'd be responding, by selecting none of the above, to what you perceive as PERMISSION to abstain. Do you need that permission? You can already abstain by staying home. If, in fact, you need permission, then you are operating in a juvenile orbit. Yes, the Internet needs to grow up. We need many more sites that argue for not voting. Some of the most famous anarchists of the last century, as brilliant as they were, could not take the last step. They talked about not voting and letting the government collapse under the weight of its own soulless corruption, but then they veered off and said that the Soviet style of rule was the coming thing. They started eating their own tails. You know, a political crisis of confidence is a tradition. It has existed before. It still happens in countries where there are a number of political parties. The prime minister "can't form a new administration." There isn't sufficient consensus. Of course, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about taking it to the limit. Going past the kind of compromise that occurs in those situations. I'm talking about saying no to the whole rotten mess that Washington has become. And then crawling out from under that to a far more decentralized form of government. This will frighten many people. They want to keep the old and just re-shape it a little.

So I return to 9/11. So many sites now reveal that the event was at least as important, in derailing the US, as was the assassination of JFK. We have already experienced the 9/11 watershed moment. It has twisted the course of the nation as surely as something twisted the steel in those towers in NY. To turn away from that, and to turn away from the prospect of creating a real political crisis of confidence by not voting---because the future that would thus come into being is more uncertain than what we now have---is a massive failure of courage. Perhaps, for you, 9/11 does not stir the juices as some other "issue" does. Maybe you have your own wild thing you rightly believe needs to be exposed to the roof---and surely you at least suspect that neither Kerry nor Bush is going to allow that revelation to occur. In which case, keep your vote in your pocket for that reason. And if you insist on voting, then know you are eating your own tail, because the very thing you consider most important is going to go unaided by the next president. But I decline to rest or relax on the thought that no one can be convinced to stay away from the polls. All sorts of amazing things can happen. A no-vote is positive. It is a rocket fired into space. It is a thing several of the nation's founders would have approved of. Most of all, it is you deciding to take matters into your own hands. When in the course of human events...
Suppose there was a poll that was relentlessly run every few days, as conventional polls are, in which people were asked, "If you could enter NONE OF THE ABOVE in the coming election for president, would you?" There would be other questions too, designed to nudge people's minds. "Have you ever thought that neither Kerry nor Bush is a good choice for the next president?" "Are you somewhat disappointed that you have to choose between Kerry and Bush?" "Can you think of a person you would rather have as president than Kerry or Bush?" "Are you at all nervous that the future of the country will be placed into the hands of Kerry or Bush?" "Have you ever had a sudden urge to enter NONE OF THE ABOVE?" And so on. I suspect that, after this poll is run 50 times, the numbers will begin to show that there is an undercurrent of dissatisfaction among the juveniles. The unconscious will start becoming conscious.

 

I retract any personal attack and apologize.
*sings Let's, get, togeeether and, feel, all, right*
(silly conscience)

 

As far as politics go, everybody has the right to there own thing. My personal opinion, it does'nt matter who you get in there they will Fuck something up. Some are crooked, and the ones that arent still make mistakes like everybody else. Politicians are imperfect human beings like everybody else on the planet. Me, i will put in my two cents on things but i wont vote. All i want is a peaceful life style where i have control over my own decisions, not the politicians or anybody else for that matter. I do try to at least take into consideration what others tell me and respect others freedom to do as they please. That is as long as they dont hurt anybody else.

In conclusion, if you want to vote, go ahead. I have nothing against voters. But dont put force on me to do it. I make my own choices, not the government, or others.

 

The most Impressive Rant i've ever seen!.

 

Most ignorant, selfish, fascistic (yes it is, don't deny it, you think you're the fucking king of the world: people dying? why should I care, I can still smoke my joint and surf my waves) post: VanAstral, congrats.


Funniest post: Jimmy_Pop2000, you killed me.

I think the world should change... I love just hanging around, smoking a joint, drinking a beer.... and I think other people have the right to do the same thing. I can't vote yet, because of my age (16), but when I can, I definitely will.

 

“Most ignorant, selfish, fascistic post: VanAstral, congrats.”
Ah, cheers, mate. You’re also very cute.
“(you think you're the fucking king of the world: people dying? why should I care, I can still smoke my joint and surf my waves)”
That’s the spirit!
“I think the world should change...”
Do you? Why? How? You not happy with everything you have, all your freedom, all that food that’s making you fat, all those fancy gadgets makin’ life so easy? You greedy bitch, you make me sick. Tell me, what do you want to change, what’s on your mind, why the stress? You’re not gonna give me the same ol random-children-and-innocent-civilians-dying-this-place-and-that spiel are ya? Or is there something particular on your mind, something that’s really biting your balls? Issues being ignored by your elected officials? Like, the border between Georgia and South Ossetia, all those pesky bullets that keep hitting civilians, is that bothering you? How ‘bout the difficulty in transporting 18,000 metric tones of food to 6 million really hungry Bangladeshi? Is that pissin’ you off… all that water getting it the way: Like, fuck! How ‘bout the quarter-million internally displaced people in the Central African Republic (25 million worldwide, and you're not one of 'em, lucky you)? Hey, whaddaya think of that General Francois Bozizé… think we can trust him? I know he said security was assured, and that the north really needs medical aid, but those rebel leaders… sheesh, they’re just so unpredictable. You wouldn’t happen to have ‘bout $7million on you would you, ‘cause really, that’s all it would take to substantially improve the conditions there. Oh My God! That’s what’s bugging you isn’t it: the fact that no one seems to have a paltry 7mil to stabilize an entire nation. Well, it’s just not financially sound, no? Maybe your leader could chip in... I’m sure it’s right up there on their agenda, just below Staying in Power and Terrorism and whatever else is on CNN and BBC and blah blah blah. What else… oh, education’s really taking a beating with that economic crisis is Tajikistan eh. Hey: why don’t you go there and teach! That’d be really swell. You could go mountain climbing while you’re there: Pik Kommunizma is nearly 25,000ft!, plus all the Vodka in the world… I think you’d like it; you’d be actively, directly contributing to a better world (it's a good feeling, trust me)… wouldn’t that be cooler than working at Wal-Mart and crying at home because you just heard (or rather didn't hear) that during the Flower Festival in northwestern Colombia a bomb exploded - don’t worry ‘bout the vintage cars that were on display - dozens of children around to absorb the blast, as always. Oh, wait, you’re voting… that’s all you need to do. Just mark an X and your leaders will do the rest. Man, that Colombia, man… I won’t even go there. Unless someone else is paying, of course. How ‘bout that multi-party government in lil’ ol’ Burundi? Things are lookin’ up I’d say. 10 parties (should’ve been 20): so much to choose from! Keep an eye on that for sure.
Christ, I don’t even know what we’re talking about any more… I think I’ll get high and go surfing, maybe rub a lil’ sex wax all over my ignorant fascist genitals and laugh at how lucky I am. Take off, catch warm blue waves, roll my toes over the front edge and shout I’m King of the World! Why? Sing with me: Because I'm not bitchin', I'm not votin', I got freedom, let's go boating.
That's a terrible song!
I'm so ignorant: I wish for world peace.